From karolina.lindqvist at kramnet.se Thu Jan 3 08:46:20 2008 From: karolina.lindqvist at kramnet.se (Karolina Lindqvist) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 14:46:20 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] should ecj say like this Message-ID: <200801031446.20655.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> Look at this: $ ecj Unrecognized option : /usr/share/java/libgcj-4.2.jar I am not able to get any other respone from ecj, as intalled from the binary i686 distribution. Does it say the same for everone else? Is it supposed to say this? Karolina From jan at jgc.homeip.net Thu Jan 3 12:58:00 2008 From: jan at jgc.homeip.net (Jan de Groot) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:58:00 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] should ecj say like this In-Reply-To: <200801031446.20655.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> References: <200801031446.20655.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> Message-ID: <1199383080.13253.1.camel@server.groot.local> On Thu, 2008-01-03 at 14:46 +0100, Karolina Lindqvist wrote: > Look at this: > $ ecj > Unrecognized option : /usr/share/java/libgcj-4.2.jar > > I am not able to get any other respone from ecj, as intalled from the binary > i686 distribution. Does it say the same for everone else? Is it supposed to > say this? > > Karolina Either install java-gcj-compat that provides the rt.jar symlink, or change /usr/bin/ecj to use libgcj-4.2.jar on line 6 instead of the wildcard. I've seen this bug also when trying to build the new version of eclipse-ecj. This wildcard was used since we had versioned libgcj jarfiles, nowadays we also have the libgcj-4.2.jar symlink. From macieks at freesco.pl Fri Jan 4 11:08:27 2008 From: macieks at freesco.pl (Mac!eKs) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:08:27 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] iwlwifi in [testing] feedback In-Reply-To: <200712210745.42018.t.powa@gmx.de> References: <200712210745.42018.t.powa@gmx.de> Message-ID: <477E59FB.2070003@freesco.pl> Tobias Powalowski pisze: > Hi > just wanted to know if some user already tested the iwlwifi driver from > [testing], if it works for you. works fine for me since: [2007-12-13 08:11] ......... iwlwifi (1.2.0-1 -> 1.2.22-1) i686 with 4965 chipset -- Mac!eKs From tunix at raptiye.org Sat Jan 5 06:05:22 2008 From: tunix at raptiye.org (Alper KANAT) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2008 13:05:22 +0200 Subject: [arch-general] iwlwifi in [testing] feedback In-Reply-To: <477E59FB.2070003@freesco.pl> References: <200712210745.42018.t.powa@gmx.de> <477E59FB.2070003@freesco.pl> Message-ID: <477F6472.2090204@raptiye.org> I'm using iwlwifi driver for almost 1 month and it works perfectly for me.. I have a HP dv2580et laptop computer and it also works great after suspend.. I'm using it with NetworkManager without any problem.. Alper KANAT (tunix at raptiye.org) http://raptiye.org Mac!eKs yazm??: > Tobias Powalowski pisze: >> Hi >> just wanted to know if some user already tested the iwlwifi driver >> from [testing], if it works for you. > > works fine for me since: > [2007-12-13 08:11] ......... iwlwifi (1.2.0-1 -> 1.2.22-1) > > i686 with 4965 chipset > From gerhard.brauer at web.de Sun Jan 6 08:06:20 2008 From: gerhard.brauer at web.de (Gerhard Brauer) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 14:06:20 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Mirror out of sync [tu.chemnitz.de] Message-ID: <20080106130620.GA9831@tux1.brauer.lan> Hello, One german mirror, tu.chemnitz.de, is not synced since 12.12.2007. Bye Gerhard -- Bundestrojaner - wir sind die Guten! Nur echt mit 52 Verfassungsbruechen! From cremes.devlist at mac.com Sun Jan 6 18:14:17 2008 From: cremes.devlist at mac.com (Chuck Remes) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:14:17 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] forcing speed/duplex on Intel e1000 driver Message-ID: <2C2E1B2C-39A0-43D4-9D72-9AA7AD8C0D39@mac.com> A service provider has forced all of their switch ports to 100/full. I need to do the same on a box running archlinux x86_64 w/kernel 2.6.22- ARCH and the Intel e1000 driver. I edited /etc/modprobe.conf to contain these lines: e1000 Speed=100,100,100,100 e1000 Duplex=2,2,2,2 However, the messages in /var/log/kernel.log indicate the interfaces are still coming up as 100/half which implies they are still attempting to autonegotiate and failing therefore defaulting to 100 (which can be sensed) and half-duplex (which can't be sensed, so this is the default). What's the best way to force the driver into 100/full on boot? From snarkout at linuxfortherestofus.com Sun Jan 6 18:40:27 2008 From: snarkout at linuxfortherestofus.com (Snarkout) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 16:40:27 -0700 Subject: [arch-general] forcing speed/duplex on Intel e1000 driver In-Reply-To: <2C2E1B2C-39A0-43D4-9D72-9AA7AD8C0D39@mac.com> References: <2C2E1B2C-39A0-43D4-9D72-9AA7AD8C0D39@mac.com> Message-ID: <200801061640.27252.snarkout@linuxfortherestofus.com> On Sunday 06 January 2008, Chuck Remes wrote: > A service provider has forced all of their switch ports to 100/full. I > need to do the same on a box running archlinux x86_64 w/kernel 2.6.22- > ARCH and the Intel e1000 driver. > > I edited /etc/modprobe.conf to contain these lines: > > e1000 Speed=100,100,100,100 > e1000 Duplex=2,2,2,2 > > However, the messages in /var/log/kernel.log indicate the interfaces > are still coming up as 100/half which implies they are still > attempting to autonegotiate and failing therefore defaulting to 100 > (which can be sensed) and half-duplex (which can't be sensed, so this > is the default). > > What's the best way to force the driver into 100/full on boot? I think you want this in modprobe.conf: alias eth0 e1000 options e1000 Speed=100 Duplex=2 This works for me, but you can check it with ethtool afterwards. From jesse.young at gmail.com Sun Jan 6 18:46:33 2008 From: jesse.young at gmail.com (Jesse Young) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:46:33 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] forcing speed/duplex on Intel e1000 driver In-Reply-To: <2C2E1B2C-39A0-43D4-9D72-9AA7AD8C0D39@mac.com> References: <2C2E1B2C-39A0-43D4-9D72-9AA7AD8C0D39@mac.com> Message-ID: <20080106234633.GR13187@schism.penguinflavored.com> On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 17:14:17 -0600, Chuck Remes wrote: > A service provider has forced all of their switch ports to 100/full. I need > to do the same on a box running archlinux x86_64 w/kernel 2.6.22-ARCH and > the Intel e1000 driver. > > I edited /etc/modprobe.conf to contain these lines: > > e1000 Speed=100,100,100,100 > e1000 Duplex=2,2,2,2 > > However, the messages in /var/log/kernel.log indicate the interfaces are > still coming up as 100/half which implies they are still attempting to > autonegotiate and failing therefore defaulting to 100 (which can be sensed) > and half-duplex (which can't be sensed, so this is the default). > > What's the best way to force the driver into 100/full on boot? I have a similar situation at school, except I'm forced to 10/full :( I use ethtool in /etc/rc.local. This may or may not work for you, depending if you can successfully DHCP at 100/half. In this case add the ethtool line in /etc/rc.d/network before you attempt to DHCP. ethtool -s INTERFACE speed 100 duplex full autoneg off Jesse -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From cremes.devlist at mac.com Sun Jan 6 18:58:32 2008 From: cremes.devlist at mac.com (Chuck Remes) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:58:32 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] forcing speed/duplex on Intel e1000 driver In-Reply-To: <200801061640.27252.snarkout@linuxfortherestofus.com> References: <2C2E1B2C-39A0-43D4-9D72-9AA7AD8C0D39@mac.com> <200801061640.27252.snarkout@linuxfortherestofus.com> Message-ID: On Jan 6, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Snarkout wrote: > On Sunday 06 January 2008, Chuck Remes wrote: >> A service provider has forced all of their switch ports to 100/ >> full. I >> need to do the same on a box running archlinux x86_64 w/kernel >> 2.6.22- >> ARCH and the Intel e1000 driver. >> >> I edited /etc/modprobe.conf to contain these lines: >> >> e1000 Speed=100,100,100,100 >> e1000 Duplex=2,2,2,2 >> >> However, the messages in /var/log/kernel.log indicate the interfaces >> are still coming up as 100/half which implies they are still >> attempting to autonegotiate and failing therefore defaulting to 100 >> (which can be sensed) and half-duplex (which can't be sensed, so this >> is the default). >> >> What's the best way to force the driver into 100/full on boot? > > I think you want this in modprobe.conf: > > alias eth0 e1000 > options e1000 Speed=100 Duplex=2 > > This works for me, but you can check it with ethtool afterwards. I have multiple interfaces so I skipped using the 'alias' line. Otherwise, your suggestion worked. Looks like I need to say 'options' first which I hadn't realized was required. Thank you! From cremes.devlist at mac.com Sun Jan 6 19:14:36 2008 From: cremes.devlist at mac.com (Chuck Remes) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:14:36 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] forcing speed/duplex on Intel e1000 driver In-Reply-To: <20080106234633.GR13187@schism.penguinflavored.com> References: <2C2E1B2C-39A0-43D4-9D72-9AA7AD8C0D39@mac.com> <20080106234633.GR13187@schism.penguinflavored.com> Message-ID: <8B2AE283-F228-4ED5-8358-6FA33DF2BFB1@mac.com> On Jan 6, 2008, at 5:46 PM, Jesse Young wrote: > On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 17:14:17 -0600, Chuck Remes wrote: >> A service provider has forced all of their switch ports to 100/ >> full. I need >> to do the same on a box running archlinux x86_64 w/kernel 2.6.22- >> ARCH and >> the Intel e1000 driver. >> >> I edited /etc/modprobe.conf to contain these lines: >> >> e1000 Speed=100,100,100,100 >> e1000 Duplex=2,2,2,2 >> >> However, the messages in /var/log/kernel.log indicate the >> interfaces are >> still coming up as 100/half which implies they are still attempting >> to >> autonegotiate and failing therefore defaulting to 100 (which can be >> sensed) >> and half-duplex (which can't be sensed, so this is the default). >> >> What's the best way to force the driver into 100/full on boot? > > I have a similar situation at school, except I'm forced to 10/full :( > I use ethtool in /etc/rc.local. This may or may not work for you, > depending if you can successfully DHCP at 100/half. In this case add > the > ethtool line in /etc/rc.d/network before you attempt to DHCP. > > ethtool -s INTERFACE speed 100 duplex full autoneg off My box also had a Broadcom NIC in it which did not support any options via modprobe.conf so I had to use your suggestion. I ended up editing / etc/rc.local like so: # this forces the built-in broadcom NIC to 100/full mii-tool --force=100baseTx-FD eth0 I'm glad both of you chose to respond! From karolina.lindqvist at kramnet.se Mon Jan 7 11:58:19 2008 From: karolina.lindqvist at kramnet.se (Karolina Lindqvist) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 17:58:19 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Problem with latest KDE update in testing Message-ID: <200801071758.19913.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> Am I the only one who got problems after the latest KDE update (from testing)? I got crashes in nspluginviewer all the time. I solved it by building a new version of kdelibs/kdebase from CVS, which appears to have some bug-fixes. Karolina From attila at invalid.invalid Mon Jan 7 13:32:08 2008 From: attila at invalid.invalid (Attila) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 19:32:08 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Problem with latest KDE update in testing References: <200801071758.19913.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> Message-ID: <9q7a55x2q8.ln2@news.arcor.de> On Montag, 7. Januar 2008 17:58 Karolina Lindqvist wrote: > I got crashes in nspluginviewer all the time. Could it be that this happens with flash? If yes, than see here: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8966 > I solved it by building a new version of kdelibs/kdebase from CVS, which > appears to have some bug-fixes. Now i hope it is the flash problem because it sounds nice that is is solved.-) See you, Attila From karolina.lindqvist at kramnet.se Mon Jan 7 15:50:43 2008 From: karolina.lindqvist at kramnet.se (Karolina Lindqvist) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 21:50:43 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Problem with latest KDE update in testing In-Reply-To: <9q7a55x2q8.ln2@news.arcor.de> References: <200801071758.19913.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> <9q7a55x2q8.ln2@news.arcor.de> Message-ID: <200801072150.43626.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> m?ndag 07 januari 2008 skrev Attila: > On Montag, 7. Januar 2008 17:58 Karolina Lindqvist wrote: > > I got crashes in nspluginviewer all the time. > > Could it be that this happens with flash? If yes, than see here: > http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8966 > > > I solved it by building a new version of kdelibs/kdebase from CVS, which > > appears to have some bug-fixes. > > Now i hope it is the flash problem because it sounds nice that is is > solved.-) > > See you, Attila Yes that seems to be it. So the problem did not come with the KDE upgrade, but with the flash upgrade. Karolina From snarkout at linuxfortherestofus.com Mon Jan 7 16:39:18 2008 From: snarkout at linuxfortherestofus.com (Snarkout) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:39:18 -0700 Subject: [arch-general] Problem with latest KDE update in testing In-Reply-To: <200801072150.43626.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> References: <200801071758.19913.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> <9q7a55x2q8.ln2@news.arcor.de> <200801072150.43626.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> Message-ID: <200801071439.18783.snarkout@linuxfortherestofus.com> On Monday 07 January 2008, Karolina Lindqvist wrote: > Yes that seems to be it. So the problem did not come with the KDE upgrade, > but with the flash upgrade. > > Karolina I had that problem after the last flash upgrade (to 9.0.115.0-1) - my "fix" was to downgrade to 9.0.48.0-1 and set pacman to ignore that package. I'm not running testing at all on this box. From waldek.news at web.de Mon Jan 7 16:54:52 2008 From: waldek.news at web.de (waldek) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:54:52 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Problem with latest KDE update in testing References: <200801071758.19913.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> <9q7a55x2q8.ln2@news.arcor.de> <200801072150.43626.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> <200801071439.18783.snarkout@linuxfortherestofus.com> Message-ID: Snarkout wrote: > On Monday 07 January 2008, Karolina Lindqvist wrote: >> Yes that seems to be it. So the problem did not come with the KDE >> upgrade, but with the flash upgrade. >> >> Karolina > > I had that problem after the last flash upgrade (to 9.0.115.0-1) - my > "fix" > was to downgrade to 9.0.48.0-1 and set pacman to ignore that package. I'm > not running testing at all on this box. be careful with the downgrade, the new flash version fixes a critical security bug, so by downgrading you are exposing youself to this bug. I use temporarily Firefox and with Konqueror the workaround with kmplayer plugin used to play flash which sort of works. Take a look here: http://mikearthur.co.uk/?p=171 cheers waldek From louipc.ist at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 00:33:36 2008 From: louipc.ist at gmail.com (Loui) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 00:33:36 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Status Report: 2008-01-07 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50673e970801072133v742f4123j273c8420347eb43a@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 7, 2008 11:39 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote: > * ArchCon 2009: Big Baaad Idea > > This is staying right here until someone decides to come to Chicago to visit 8) > No, the US is not dangerous! Hah. Chicago sounds good to me. :D From attila at invalid.invalid Tue Jan 8 01:22:12 2008 From: attila at invalid.invalid (Attila) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 07:22:12 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Problem with latest KDE update in testing References: <200801071758.19913.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> <9q7a55x2q8.ln2@news.arcor.de> <200801072150.43626.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> <200801071439.18783.snarkout@linuxfortherestofus.com> Message-ID: On Montag, 7. Januar 2008 22:54 waldek wrote: > be careful with the downgrade, the new flash version fixes a critical > security bug, so by downgrading you are exposing youself to this bug. The problem is that at the moment the last flashplugin (or swfdec) works not with kde so there is no choice. > I use temporarily Firefox and with Konqueror the workaround with kmplayer > plugin used to play flash which sort of works. Take a look here: > > http://mikearthur.co.uk/?p=171 This doesn't works for me. At the moment it looks as that all this workarounds works for some people and for some not [1]. My hope is now that Karolina says with the last svn it works.-) And my dream is that in the future we can substitute the flashplugin with gnash (or swfdec) because i don't need products which works only with some browsers. See you, Attila [1] http://kdemod.ath.cx/bbs/viewtopic.php?id=412 (see the end) From jesse.young at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 04:00:14 2008 From: jesse.young at gmail.com (Jesse Young) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 03:00:14 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [extra signoff] nvidia/nvidia-utils 169.07 In-Reply-To: <47833036.9050606@archlinux.org> References: <47833036.9050606@archlinux.org> Message-ID: <20080108090014.GA8113@schism.penguinflavored.com> On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 09:11:34 +0100, Thomas B?chler wrote: > I added new nvidia drivers 169.07 for i686 and x86_64 to testing. My > nvidia machine is out of order for now, so please sign off both > architectures and as many GPUs as possible. > > I am also interested in signoffs from users, so please don't hesitate to > reply to this message to the arch-general list! > everything looks fine on i686, except for this error on upgrade, I don't know how pacman lost track of it, unless I was installinng my own nvidia* a long time ago. nvidia-utils: /usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 exists in filesystem lspci: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know how to work around this problem, as file-conflicts are checked before I have a chance to delete it, I guess everyone has to -Sf the package. > lspci: > 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) Thanks, that is the one I could have tested as well. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can try it today.. but with new nvidias I have always a simple problem with libswf (or sth. similar). I do the symlink by hand than.. But for testing it's nothing more than pacman -Sy testing/nvidia ? -- Gru?, Johannes T?glich http://blog.hehejo.de und du f?hlst dich gut. http://cryptocd.eduforge.org/online_version -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Server aborting I'm just faced with a black screen. There's no hard lock, and I can still switch tty. So obviously, no signoff from me. Varun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas at archlinux.org Tue Jan 8 07:05:17 2008 From: thomas at archlinux.org (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Thomas_B=E4chler?=) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 13:05:17 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [extra signoff] nvidia/nvidia-utils 169.07 In-Reply-To: References: <47833036.9050606@archlinux.org> <20080108090014.GA8113@schism.penguinflavored.com> <20080108112127.5533507c@faui06.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Message-ID: <478366FD.6070609@archlinux.org> Varun Acharya schrieb: > Same conflict error for me brain0, (x86_64) Of course, it was a mistake in the old package version . > 2: /usr/lib64/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1 [0x2ba54cddd65e] This file is not contained in the nvidia-utils package, which means you previously used the nvidia installer to install the driver. This almost always fails and leads to this error when you switch back to the Arch package. We neither use the lib64 directory, nor the tls directory. Instead we install the tls version of the library directly to /usr/lib instead of /usr/lib/tls (as the non-tls version is useless for us). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From ganja.guru.x64 at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 07:34:04 2008 From: ganja.guru.x64 at gmail.com (Varun Acharya) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:04:04 +0530 Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] [extra signoff] nvidia/nvidia-utils 169.07 In-Reply-To: <478366FD.6070609@archlinux.org> References: <47833036.9050606@archlinux.org> <20080108090014.GA8113@schism.penguinflavored.com> <20080108112127.5533507c@faui06.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <478366FD.6070609@archlinux.org> Message-ID: On Jan 8, 2008 5:35 PM, Thomas B?chler wrote: > > > This file is not contained in the nvidia-utils package, which means you > previously used the nvidia installer to install the driver. I've been using the arch package without any problems for a while now, and didn't have any problems while upgrading previously. Anyways, I cleared the old files and re ran the upgrade, and it works fine now. A small side note..fps values in glxgears seem to have taken a hit.. previously I was getting ~ 15500fps, now with the new drivers I get ~ 14000fps See http://pastebin.archlinux.org/23421 If this fps drop is expected behavior (since glxgears is not a true index of performance), then a signoff for x86_64 from me. Nvidia 7800 GTX for me btw. Varun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roman.kyrylych at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 11:14:15 2008 From: roman.kyrylych at gmail.com (Roman Kyrylych) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:14:15 +0200 Subject: [arch-general] famd problems In-Reply-To: <47752765.5070005@harrr.net> References: <47743908.2020706@harrr.net> <1198839248.7499.1.camel@server.groot.local> <47752765.5070005@harrr.net> Message-ID: <577f15290801080814i325adde5s6c8bc4829b81d144@mail.gmail.com> 2007/12/28, _saiko : > Jan de Groot wrote: > > New applications can use inotify too and don't need fam at all for > > filesystem monitoring. I do have fam installed as a dependency for > > gnome-vfs on my system, but I don't have the daemon running. As long as > > you don't run the daemon, there's nothing wrong with fam. > > The only reason to use fam nowadays is when you have an NFS mounted > > homedir that can't do inotify. > > > thanks! > That's the answer i needed > Since.. i can't remove fam because its libs are needed for some apps i > use regularly > inotify is included in the arch kernel right? Sure, it's a standard kernel interface. -- Roman Kyrylych (????? ???????) From karolina.lindqvist at kramnet.se Wed Jan 9 04:50:52 2008 From: karolina.lindqvist at kramnet.se (Karolina Lindqvist) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:50:52 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Comment box in flag package Out-of-date Message-ID: <200801091050.52320.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> Is it possible to make the box for comment, in the flag package out-of-date, a little bit bigger? As it is now, it is hard to see what you write, if you want to explain your findings. From roman.kyrylych at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 07:42:15 2008 From: roman.kyrylych at gmail.com (Roman Kyrylych) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:42:15 +0200 Subject: [arch-general] Mirror out of sync [tu.chemnitz.de] In-Reply-To: <20080106130620.GA9831@tux1.brauer.lan> References: <20080106130620.GA9831@tux1.brauer.lan> Message-ID: <577f15290801090442n5db1b4bfo31cc9fe6fbecdeb7@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/6, Gerhard Brauer : > Hello, > > One german mirror, tu.chemnitz.de, is not synced since 12.12.2007. > Actually, since 14-Dec-2007 (date of extra.db.tar.gz). Does anyone know how to contact the mirror admin? -- Roman Kyrylych (????? ???????) From aaronmgriffin at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 11:37:17 2008 From: aaronmgriffin at gmail.com (Aaron Griffin) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:37:17 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] Comment box in flag package Out-of-date In-Reply-To: <200801091050.52320.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> References: <200801091050.52320.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> Message-ID: On Jan 9, 2008 3:50 AM, Karolina Lindqvist wrote: > Is it possible to make the box for comment, in the flag package out-of-date, a > little bit bigger? As it is now, it is hard to see what you write, if you > want to explain your findings. Erm, I don't think you should really need to "explain" why something is out of date. If there are "findings" and "explanations" involved, that sounds like a bug report to me But either way, it's always "possible" to do just about anything with computers. File a feature request in the bug tracker and we can look into it. I'm *positive* the guy that makes these changes does not read this ML at all. From raf.kimmig at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 11:41:34 2008 From: raf.kimmig at gmail.com (raf.kimmig at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:41:34 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Problem with latest KDE update in testing In-Reply-To: References: <200801071758.19913.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> Message-ID: <200801091741.34978.raf.kimmig@gmail.com> Am Dienstag 08 Januar 2008 07:22:12 schrieb Attila: > This doesn't works for me. At the moment it looks as that all this > workarounds works for some people and for some not [1]. > What kind of problems are you experiencing when trying to use kmplayer? regards raf From travis at archlinux.org Wed Jan 9 11:52:23 2008 From: travis at archlinux.org (Travis Willard) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:52:23 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] Comment box in flag package Out-of-date In-Reply-To: References: <200801091050.52320.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> Message-ID: <53735f360801090852g67481179ub1980d8017d0804b@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 9, 2008 11:37 AM, Aaron Griffin wrote: > On Jan 9, 2008 3:50 AM, Karolina Lindqvist > > wrote: > > Is it possible to make the box for comment, in the flag package out-of-date, a > > little bit bigger? As it is now, it is hard to see what you write, if you > > want to explain your findings. > > Erm, I don't think you should really need to "explain" why something > is out of date. If there are "findings" and "explanations" involved, > that sounds like a bug report to me Eh, not always - I've gotten a few out of date reports of the form "website moved to here: , new sources available here " From aaronmgriffin at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 12:05:55 2008 From: aaronmgriffin at gmail.com (Aaron Griffin) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:05:55 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] Comment box in flag package Out-of-date In-Reply-To: <53735f360801090852g67481179ub1980d8017d0804b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801091050.52320.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> <53735f360801090852g67481179ub1980d8017d0804b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 9, 2008 10:52 AM, Travis Willard wrote: > On Jan 9, 2008 11:37 AM, Aaron Griffin wrote: > > On Jan 9, 2008 3:50 AM, Karolina Lindqvist > > > > wrote: > > > Is it possible to make the box for comment, in the flag package out-of-date, a > > > little bit bigger? As it is now, it is hard to see what you write, if you > > > want to explain your findings. > > > > Erm, I don't think you should really need to "explain" why something > > is out of date. If there are "findings" and "explanations" involved, > > that sounds like a bug report to me > > Eh, not always - I've gotten a few out of date reports of the form > "website moved to here: , new sources available here " Right. Let me rephrase that a little. I don't think they need explanations that would overflow that box, except for possible URL runoff, but that's to be expected From ilbardo at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 12:47:16 2008 From: ilbardo at gmail.com (bardo) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:47:16 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Comment box in flag package Out-of-date In-Reply-To: References: <200801091050.52320.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> <53735f360801090852g67481179ub1980d8017d0804b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 2008/1/9, Aaron Griffin : > Right. Let me rephrase that a little. I don't think they need > explanations that would overflow that box, except for possible URL > runoff, but that's to be expected I think I'm with Karolina here, I remember I had the same impression a couple of times. It happened, if I want to speed up the upgrade and save some work to the maintainer, that I'd send a full PKGBUILD. If the update is non-trivial, that is. Corrado From roman.kyrylych at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 12:54:20 2008 From: roman.kyrylych at gmail.com (Roman Kyrylych) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:54:20 +0200 Subject: [arch-general] Comment box in flag package Out-of-date In-Reply-To: References: <200801091050.52320.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> <53735f360801090852g67481179ub1980d8017d0804b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <577f15290801090954r3094b090v6630378605d00f9d@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/9, bardo : > 2008/1/9, Aaron Griffin : > > Right. Let me rephrase that a little. I don't think they need > > explanations that would overflow that box, except for possible URL > > runoff, but that's to be expected > > I think I'm with Karolina here, I remember I had the same impression a > couple of times. It happened, if I want to speed up the upgrade and > save some work to the maintainer, that I'd send a full PKGBUILD. If > the update is non-trivial, that is. > I have nothing against increasing the size of out-of-date comment box, but in case of large text, PKGBUILDs, even tarballs - send this directly to maintainer by email. -- Roman Kyrylych (????? ???????) From aaronmgriffin at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 13:01:01 2008 From: aaronmgriffin at gmail.com (Aaron Griffin) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:01:01 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] Comment box in flag package Out-of-date In-Reply-To: <577f15290801090954r3094b090v6630378605d00f9d@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801091050.52320.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> <53735f360801090852g67481179ub1980d8017d0804b@mail.gmail.com> <577f15290801090954r3094b090v6630378605d00f9d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 9, 2008 11:54 AM, Roman Kyrylych wrote: > 2008/1/9, bardo : > > > 2008/1/9, Aaron Griffin : > > > Right. Let me rephrase that a little. I don't think they need > > > explanations that would overflow that box, except for possible URL > > > runoff, but that's to be expected > > > > I think I'm with Karolina here, I remember I had the same impression a > > couple of times. It happened, if I want to speed up the upgrade and > > save some work to the maintainer, that I'd send a full PKGBUILD. If > > the update is non-trivial, that is. > > > > I have nothing against increasing the size of out-of-date comment box, > but in case of large text, PKGBUILDs, even tarballs - send this > directly to maintainer by email. Thanks Roman, that's exactly what I was trying to say, but you were more concise. Increasing the size isn't a problem, but a request to increase the size kinda makes me say "huh? wtf information are you trying to send?" Consider this: if you send a PKGBUILD via that box, how do you know you're not making someone's life harder? There might be wrapping issues, escaped chars (it is a web form) and all that fun stuff. From attila at invalid.invalid Thu Jan 10 07:35:03 2008 From: attila at invalid.invalid (Attila) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:35:03 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Problem with latest KDE update in testing References: <200801071758.19913.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> <200801091741.34978.raf.kimmig@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mittwoch, 9. Januar 2008 17:41 raf.kimmig at gmail.com wrote: > What kind of problems are you experiencing when trying to use kmplayer? It plays nothing from at example http://youtube.com/watch?v=8HQoxvv753c in the konqueror. Instead of the hints from http://mikearthur.co.uk/?p=171 looks very nice for me only flashplugin 9.0.48 works with it. Not the the newer one and not swfdec. See you, Attila From rterry at gnumed.net Thu Jan 10 16:10:50 2008 From: rterry at gnumed.net (richard terry) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:10:50 +1100 Subject: [arch-general] libdts + fglrx questions Message-ID: <200801110810.51052.rterry@gnumed.net> Every time I upgrade I get: ?replace libdts with libdca, and replace fglrx with catalyst. What's the difference, is it safe to say yes (especially to the video driver)? Thanks From antonyat at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 16:48:39 2008 From: antonyat at gmail.com (Antony Jepson) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:48:39 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] libdts + fglrx questions In-Reply-To: <200801110810.51052.rterry@gnumed.net> References: <200801110810.51052.rterry@gnumed.net> Message-ID: <20080110214839.GA7806@GENTOO> On Jan 11 08:10, richard terry wrote: > Every time I upgrade I get: > > ?replace libdts with libdca, > > and > > replace fglrx with catalyst. > > What's the difference, is it safe to say yes (especially to the video driver)? > > Thanks > Richard, libdts' name was changed to libdca so it is safe to replace the package. AMD changed the name of fglrx to catalyst and updated the driver. See which driver works best for you. The latest driver (7.12-2) has caused some problems; upgrade to catalyst-7.11-2 or continue using your fglrx package. -- Antony Jepson / / GPG Key: 0xFA10ED80 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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ATI has renamed their linux drivers to have the same name as their Windows drivers do. > > What's the difference, is it safe to say yes (especially to the video driver)? Yeah, both should be fine. They're normal package upgrades, the names of the packages just happen to have changed. From ilbardo at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 08:32:29 2008 From: ilbardo at gmail.com (bardo) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:32:29 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] arch32 -> arch64 migration without reinstalling Message-ID: Since I've already got a 32bit laptop, I was thinking of migrating my Core 2 Duo to arch64 (as a TU it would be really helpful for building new packages and helping the other packagers). Now, this desktop is my main system, so I'm not really happy with the idea of reinstalling and reconfiguring everything (given that, at this time, I have more than 1700 installed packages). So here's the idea: is it crazy to dump the package list, boot from a cd, change my mirrors in x86_64, change pacman's installation root to my mounted disks, reinstall the world and then check for *.pac*? Is there any risk I can't see in doing this? Thanks, Corrado From t.powa at gmx.de Fri Jan 11 09:21:41 2008 From: t.powa at gmx.de (Tobias Powalowski) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:21:41 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] arch32 -> arch64 migration without reinstalling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200801111521.44473.t.powa@gmx.de> Am Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 schrieb bardo: > Since I've already got a 32bit laptop, I was thinking of migrating my > Core 2 Duo to arch64 (as a TU it would be really helpful for building > new packages and helping the other packagers). Now, this desktop is my > main system, so I'm not really happy with the idea of reinstalling and > reconfiguring everything (given that, at this time, I have more than > 1700 installed packages). > > So here's the idea: is it crazy to dump the package list, boot from a > cd, change my mirrors in x86_64, change pacman's installation root to > my mounted disks, reinstall the world and then check for *.pac*? Is > there any risk I can't see in doing this? > > Thanks, > Corrado well i would recommend save the list of packages you have and don't format your /home partition, then start with new x86_64 else it's weird i think. I did it that way and works fine(hey installing arch works in 15 minutes doesn't it? ;) ). You could also save your existing 686 as a chroot if you have the space to safe it. greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa at archlinux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From darose at darose.net Fri Jan 11 11:17:16 2008 From: darose at darose.net (David Rosenstrauch) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:17:16 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] Weird makepkg problem Message-ID: <4787968C.1070705@darose.net> Hi. I'm the maintainer for the todotxt package in the AUR (http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?do_Details=1&ID=7673). While I was trying to update the PKGBUILD today, something really peculiar happened. The todotxt source gets downloaded in a zip file format. But instead of unzipping the zip file to the src directory, for some reason makepkg is *copying* the zip to the src directory. Consequently, the PKGBUILD can't find the files it needs and fails. Anybody know what caused this (it wasn't always this way, as I've been maintaining this package for over a year now) and how to fix it? TIA, DR From grbzks at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 11:29:34 2008 From: grbzks at gmail.com (Grigorios Bouzakis) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:29:34 +0200 Subject: [arch-general] Weird makepkg problem In-Reply-To: <4787968C.1070705@darose.net> References: <4787968C.1070705@darose.net> Message-ID: <20080111162934.GA6993@dark> On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 11:17:16AM -0500, David Rosenstrauch wrote: > Hi. I'm the maintainer for the todotxt package in the AUR > (http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?do_Details=1&ID=7673). While I was > trying to update the PKGBUILD today, something really peculiar happened. > > The todotxt source gets downloaded in a zip file format. But instead of > unzipping the zip file to the src directory, for some reason makepkg is > *copying* the zip to the src directory. Consequently, the PKGBUILD can't > find the files it needs and fails. > > Anybody know what caused this (it wasn't always this way, as I've been > maintaining this package for over a year now) and how to fix it? > > TIA, > > DR maybe this? http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/9105 From darose at darose.net Fri Jan 11 11:38:51 2008 From: darose at darose.net (David Rosenstrauch) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:38:51 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] Weird makepkg problem In-Reply-To: <20080111162934.GA6993@dark> References: <4787968C.1070705@darose.net> <20080111162934.GA6993@dark> Message-ID: <47879B9B.8060905@darose.net> Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: > On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 11:17:16AM -0500, David Rosenstrauch wrote: >> The todotxt source gets downloaded in a zip file format. But instead of >> unzipping the zip file to the src directory, for some reason makepkg is >> *copying* the zip to the src directory. Consequently, the PKGBUILD can't >> find the files it needs and fails. > maybe this? http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/9105 Sounds about right - thanks! OK, I guess I'll wait for (or upgrade to) pacman 3.1. DR From aaronmgriffin at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 12:04:26 2008 From: aaronmgriffin at gmail.com (Aaron Griffin) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:04:26 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] Weird makepkg problem In-Reply-To: <4787968C.1070705@darose.net> References: <4787968C.1070705@darose.net> Message-ID: On Jan 11, 2008 10:17 AM, David Rosenstrauch wrote: > The todotxt source gets downloaded in a zip file format. But instead of > unzipping the zip file to the src directory, for some reason makepkg is > *copying* the zip to the src directory. Consequently, the PKGBUILD > can't find the files it needs and fails. While Grigorios answered the real question, I did want to point out that the source is _always_ copied to the src/ dir. From archlinux at carlm.e4ward.com Sat Jan 12 12:36:22 2008 From: archlinux at carlm.e4ward.com (Carl Mueller) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:36:22 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] New web page Message-ID: The new web page looks great! Congratulations to all involved. Carl Mueller -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeffrey.parke at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 12:58:48 2008 From: jeffrey.parke at gmail.com (Jeffrey Parke) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:58:48 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] New web page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4788FFD8.3070704@gmail.com> yes it is very nice. Congrats to all who where involved. Well, I guess that would be everyone. WOOT!! Carl Mueller wrote: > The new web page looks great! Congratulations to all involved. > > Carl Mueller From mail at hehejo.de Sat Jan 12 13:10:58 2008 From: mail at hehejo.de (Johannes Held) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:10:58 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] New web page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <478902B2.7020709@hehejo.de> Carl Mueller schrieb: > The new web page looks great! Congratulations to all involved. Oh yes - exactly my thoughts! -- Gru?, Johannes T?glich http://blog.hehejo.de und du f?hlst dich gut. http://cryptocd.eduforge.org/online_version From eliott at cactuswax.net Sat Jan 12 13:45:40 2008 From: eliott at cactuswax.net (eliott) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:45:40 -0800 Subject: [arch-general] New web page In-Reply-To: <478902B2.7020709@hehejo.de> References: <478902B2.7020709@hehejo.de> Message-ID: <428d921d0801121045o55c115d5nf7415bf2affabe25@mail.gmail.com> > > The new web page looks great! Congratulations to all involved. > Oh yes - exactly my thoughts! Thanks. :) From kesara at bcs.org Sat Jan 12 14:08:20 2008 From: kesara at bcs.org (Kesara Rathnayake) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:38:20 +0530 Subject: [arch-general] New web page In-Reply-To: <4788FFD8.3070704@gmail.com> References: <4788FFD8.3070704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87e06d600801121108p6ad355f9x324b100b76fbf83f@mail.gmail.com> Web site looks great! Well done! I suggest that colours of Arch Wiki (and Flyspray may be) also should changed accordingly. And when you guys going to give the new suit to the AUR? ;-) Keep it up. Kesara On Jan 12, 2008 11:28 PM, Jeffrey Parke wrote: > yes it is very nice. Congrats to all who where involved. Well, I guess > that would be everyone. WOOT!! > > > Carl Mueller wrote: > > The new web page looks great! Congratulations to all involved. > > > > Carl Mueller > > -- [http://kesara.f2g.net] From philippemiron at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 17:07:35 2008 From: philippemiron at gmail.com (Philippe Miron) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:07:35 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] New web page In-Reply-To: <87e06d600801121108p6ad355f9x324b100b76fbf83f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4788FFD8.3070704@gmail.com> <87e06d600801121108p6ad355f9x324b100b76fbf83f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Nice jobs to everyone, Same thing as Kesara Rathnayake: " And when you guys going to give the new suit to the AUR? ;-)" If you need someone else, I can help you trying to "reface" it! Nice work. On Jan 12, 2008 8:08 PM, Kesara Rathnayake wrote: > Web site looks great! > Well done! > I suggest that colours of Arch Wiki (and Flyspray may be) also should > changed accordingly. > And when you guys going to give the new suit to the AUR? ;-) > Keep it up. > Kesara > > On Jan 12, 2008 11:28 PM, Jeffrey Parke wrote: > > yes it is very nice. Congrats to all who where involved. Well, I guess > > that would be everyone. WOOT!! > > > > > > Carl Mueller wrote: > > > The new web page looks great! Congratulations to all involved. > > > > > > Carl Mueller > > > > > > > > -- > [http://kesara.f2g.net] > > -- Philippe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sleepinggiant08 at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 18:56:21 2008 From: sleepinggiant08 at gmail.com (Julian DeFronzo) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:56:21 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] New web page In-Reply-To: References: <4788FFD8.3070704@gmail.com> <87e06d600801121108p6ad355f9x324b100b76fbf83f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Nice job guys! Logo and all looks good. Everything ties in well! ~Julian D On Jan 12, 2008, at 5:07 PM, Philippe Miron wrote: > Nice jobs to everyone, > > Same thing as Kesara Rathnayake: > " And when you guys going to give the new suit to the AUR? ;-)" > > If you need someone else, I can help you trying to "reface" it! > Nice work. > > On Jan 12, 2008 8:08 PM, Kesara Rathnayake wrote: > Web site looks great! > Well done! > I suggest that colours of Arch Wiki (and Flyspray may be) also should > changed accordingly. > And when you guys going to give the new suit to the AUR? ;-) > Keep it up. > Kesara > > On Jan 12, 2008 11:28 PM, Jeffrey Parke > wrote: > > yes it is very nice. Congrats to all who where involved. Well, I > guess > > that would be everyone. WOOT!! > > > > > > Carl Mueller wrote: > > > The new web page looks great! Congratulations to all involved. > > > > > > Carl Mueller > > > > > > > > -- > [http://kesara.f2g.net] > > > > > -- > Philippe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tunix at raptiye.org Mon Jan 14 04:49:11 2008 From: tunix at raptiye.org (Alper KANAT) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:49:11 +0200 Subject: [arch-general] New web page In-Reply-To: References: <4788FFD8.3070704@gmail.com> <87e06d600801121108p6ad355f9x324b100b76fbf83f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478B3017.6010205@raptiye.org> Hey There, Awesome work guys.. the site looks a lot better and complete than before.. I'm looking forward for other stuff like splashy and etc.. :) Alper KANAT (tunix at raptiye.org) http://raptiye.org Julian DeFronzo yazm??: > Nice job guys! Logo and all looks good. Everything ties in well! > > ~Julian D > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 5:07 PM, Philippe Miron wrote: > >> Nice jobs to everyone, >> >> Same thing as Kesara Rathnayake: >> " And when you guys going to give the new suit to the AUR? ;-)" >> >> If you need someone else, I can help you trying to "reface" it! >> Nice work. >> >> On Jan 12, 2008 8:08 PM, Kesara Rathnayake > > wrote: >> >> Web site looks great! >> Well done! >> I suggest that colours of Arch Wiki (and Flyspray may be) also should >> changed accordingly. >> And when you guys going to give the new suit to the AUR? ;-) >> Keep it up. >> Kesara >> >> On Jan 12, 2008 11:28 PM, Jeffrey Parke > > wrote: >> > yes it is very nice. Congrats to all who where involved. Well, I >> guess >> > that would be everyone. WOOT!! >> > >> > >> > Carl Mueller wrote: >> > > The new web page looks great! Congratulations to all involved. >> > > >> > > Carl Mueller >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> [http://kesara.f2g.net] >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Philippe > From philippemiron at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 06:48:02 2008 From: philippemiron at gmail.com (Philippe Miron) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:48:02 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] New web page In-Reply-To: <478B3017.6010205@raptiye.org> References: <4788FFD8.3070704@gmail.com> <87e06d600801121108p6ad355f9x324b100b76fbf83f@mail.gmail.com> <478B3017.6010205@raptiye.org> Message-ID: Hi everyone, Is there someone you is going to change the boot logo ?! :) Could be nice to see the new one everytime we boot..! On Jan 14, 2008 10:49 AM, Alper KANAT wrote: > Hey There, > > Awesome work guys.. the site looks a lot better and complete than > before.. I'm looking forward for other stuff like splashy and etc.. :) > > > Alper KANAT (tunix at raptiye.org) > http://raptiye.org > > > Julian DeFronzo yazm??: > > Nice job guys! Logo and all looks good. Everything ties in well! > > > > ~Julian D > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2008, at 5:07 PM, Philippe Miron wrote: > > > >> Nice jobs to everyone, > >> > >> Same thing as Kesara Rathnayake: > >> " And when you guys going to give the new suit to the AUR? ;-)" > >> > >> If you need someone else, I can help you trying to "reface" it! > >> Nice work. > >> > >> On Jan 12, 2008 8:08 PM, Kesara Rathnayake >> > wrote: > >> > >> Web site looks great! > >> Well done! > >> I suggest that colours of Arch Wiki (and Flyspray may be) also > should > >> changed accordingly. > >> And when you guys going to give the new suit to the AUR? ;-) > >> Keep it up. > >> Kesara > >> > >> On Jan 12, 2008 11:28 PM, Jeffrey Parke >> > wrote: > >> > yes it is very nice. Congrats to all who where involved. Well, I > >> guess > >> > that would be everyone. WOOT!! > >> > > >> > > >> > Carl Mueller wrote: > >> > > The new web page looks great! Congratulations to all involved. > >> > > > >> > > Carl Mueller > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> [http://kesara.f2g.net] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Philippe > > > > -- Philippe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjdanimoth at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 06:51:05 2008 From: jjdanimoth at gmail.com (JJDaNiMoTh) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:51:05 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] New web page In-Reply-To: <478B3017.6010205@raptiye.org> References: <4788FFD8.3070704@gmail.com> <87e06d600801121108p6ad355f9x324b100b76fbf83f@mail.gmail.com> <478B3017.6010205@raptiye.org> Message-ID: <20080114125105.34ffde2b.jjdanimoth@gmail.com> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:49:11 +0200 I prefer the old style.. I don't like 'squared' logos, I love 'rounded' logos. ( like logo of ubuntu, kde, apple... also sony, bmw, ford.. and many others ). So, I try to by-pass the home page from now, and go directly on the place on I'm interested :) ( this is a joke :P ) My opinion doesn't reduce the quality of dev works: I love innovations, good or bad which are. Thank you anyway. -- JJDaNiMoTh - ArchLinux Trusted User -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From dpmcgee at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 01:18:53 2008 From: dpmcgee at gmail.com (Dan McGee) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:18:53 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] [translation] String freeze for pacman 3.1.1 release Message-ID: <449c10960801142218v56a1a250ma579de7afe456fd@mail.gmail.com> We've weeded out a handful of bugs and issues since 3.1.0, so it is time to call for a string freeze for 3.1.1. I've CC-ed this to the Arch General list to see if we can get a helping hand with some of our currently neglected translations. As this list may not be quite as familiar with how everything works, PLEASE reply to the list or privately to me if you have questions or want to help out but are not sure how. Our pacman translation policy is outlined here. The important sections for translators are the introduction and up to (and including) pre-release updates. http://www.archlinux.org/pacman/translation-help.html As stated in the above document, PO files have been made available to translate: http://code.toofishes.net/pacman/po_files/ I would like to get the release out within the next 7 days, so the sooner the better for the translations. Languages we currently have: cs_CZ: Handled by Vojt?ch Gond?ala de: handled by Matthias Gorissen en_GB: Handled by Jeff Bailes es: status unknown, no current translator fr: Handled by Chantry Xavier hu: Handled by Nagy Gabor it: Handled by Giovanni Scafora pl_PL: Work in progress by Mateusz Jedrasik pt_BR: status unknown, no current translator ru_RU: status unknown, no current translator If you wish to help translate, but your language is already listed as handled by someone, please contact them at the above addresses. If the language is listed as "no current translator", then please reply to ALL on this message stating you are doing the translation so we do not have duplicated effort (although you are more than welcome to work in teams). Once you have updated or completed a translation, simply tar and gzip the files up and send them back to pacman-dev at archlinux.org with a [translation] prefix in the message. For those that are used to the old method of updating translations (GIT patches), those are still acceptable as well. Please prefix the patch with "translation:" so it can be picked out easily. HOWEVER, if at all possible, please do not needlessly update the line numbers in the code! It makes it much easier to see which translations have been changed and updated if line number changes are not 90% of the patch. The "translations" branch is located in my GIT repo; one of the following things will probably be of help. http://code.toofishes.net/gitweb.cgi?p=pacman.git;a=shortlog;h=translations git remote add dan http://code.toofishes.net/gitprojects/pacman.git git checkout -b translations dan/translations -Dan From joao.eel at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 06:30:23 2008 From: joao.eel at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Felipe_Santos?=) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:30:23 -0200 Subject: [arch-general] [pacman-dev] [translation] String freeze for pacman 3.1.1 release In-Reply-To: <449c10960801142218v56a1a250ma579de7afe456fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <449c10960801142218v56a1a250ma579de7afe456fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm Jo?o Felipe Santos , and i'm translating pacman to pt_BR. -jfsantos From swiergot at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 12:26:00 2008 From: swiergot at gmail.com (Jaroslaw Swierczynski) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:26:00 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Arch Schwag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: They do ship to Europe but I'm not satisfied with their product quality. I bought a mug and a baseball jersey. While the mug is great, the printings on the jersey are poor and I would expect more from the material. -- Jaroslaw Swierczynski www.archlinux.org | www.juvepoland.com From aaronmgriffin at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 12:56:10 2008 From: aaronmgriffin at gmail.com (Aaron Griffin) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:56:10 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Arch Schwag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 15, 2008 11:26 AM, Jaroslaw Swierczynski wrote: > They do ship to Europe but I'm not satisfied with their product > quality. I bought a mug and a baseball jersey. While the mug is great, > the printings on the jersey are poor and I would expect more from the > material. I haven't bought much from them either. Because people on this list may not read arch-dev-public, does anyone else have some alternatives and/or replacements for cafepress? From sergey.manucharian at rmico.com Wed Jan 16 14:11:31 2008 From: sergey.manucharian at rmico.com (Sergey Manucharian) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:11:31 -0700 Subject: [arch-general] FreeNX issues Message-ID: <20080116121131.56a9e415@rmico.com> Hi, Yesterday I've installed FeeNX for the first time. First of all I've found that "nxloadconfig" sets in LD_PRELOAD a path to libXrender.so.1.2, but the actual library is libXrender.so.1.2.2 and there is no corresponding link. Ok, this issue is fixed simply (but it's a bug, right?). Now when I run nxclient and get the remote desktop (xfce), I cannot run some programs, e.g. mc, mplayer - they just crash with segfault. Could somebody give me the direction to fix it? Any ideas? Thanks. Cheers, Sergey From louipc.ist at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 22:10:08 2008 From: louipc.ist at gmail.com (Loui) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:10:08 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] Subversion error? Message-ID: <50673e970801161910v674f3951nd541641f04e50bc7@mail.gmail.com> Hello! I don't know if this should go in flyspray because I'm using testing pkgs and such so I'll just write here. I think subversion needs to be rebuilt to link to the new Perl. I get an error when using git-svn /usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/current/i686-linux-thread-multi/auto/SVN/_Core/_Core.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr I built 1.4.6 it myself and it got past that error but I hit another one: Bad URL passed to RA layer: Unrecognized URL scheme for 'http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad' at /usr/bin/git-svn line 1043 I also removed subversion-neon.patch because a hunk failed... maybe it was needed? I don't know. I admit I don't really know what's going on. Can someone smarter than me help me out? Thanks! From louipc.ist at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 00:10:15 2008 From: louipc.ist at gmail.com (Loui) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:10:15 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] Subversion error? In-Reply-To: <50673e970801161910v674f3951nd541641f04e50bc7@mail.gmail.com> References: <50673e970801161910v674f3951nd541641f04e50bc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <50673e970801162110p4bbf4de1ta11f5644ccc6ed96@mail.gmail.com> Here's something that might have to do with the URL error http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/apb.html#svn-ap-b-sect-1.2.8 I tried [root]# ldconfig -r . I also tried it after adding /usr/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf to no avail. /usr/lib is where all the libsvn* libs are. On Jan 16, 2008 10:10 PM, Loui wrote: > Bad URL passed to RA layer: Unrecognized URL scheme for > 'http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad' at > /usr/bin/git-svn line 1043 From karolina.lindqvist at kramnet.se Thu Jan 17 03:15:51 2008 From: karolina.lindqvist at kramnet.se (Karolina Lindqvist) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:15:51 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Subversion error? In-Reply-To: <50673e970801161910v674f3951nd541641f04e50bc7@mail.gmail.com> References: <50673e970801161910v674f3951nd541641f04e50bc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801170915.51711.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> torsdag 17 januari 2008 skrev Loui: > I built 1.4.6 it myself and it got past that error but I hit another one: > Bad URL passed to RA layer: Unrecognized URL scheme for > 'http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad' at > /usr/bin/git-svn line 1043 I got the some problem with building subversion from source, any version. That packet need some attention! Since I wanted to use it, not fix it, I just made it work somehow, which amounted to follow the instructions given and download an earlier version of neon and put it into the source directory renamed to neon. Not the "right" way to do it maybe, but just to make it work, since subversion is essential to get other things to work. And just in waiting for a real fix from whoever understands the how and why of all the extra stuff in the PKGBUILD for it. From ilbardo at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 08:30:44 2008 From: ilbardo at gmail.com (bardo) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:30:44 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] arch32 -> arch64 migration without reinstalling In-Reply-To: <200801111521.44473.t.powa@gmx.de> References: <200801111521.44473.t.powa@gmx.de> Message-ID: Sorry for the late answer, been busy lately. 2008/1/11, Tobias Powalowski : > well i would recommend save the list of packages you have and don't format > your /home partition, then start with new x86_64 else it's weird i think. I know it's weird. Otherwise I wouldn't have asked :) > I did it that way and works fine(hey installing arch works in 15 minutes > doesn't it? ;) ). Yes, it does. It's reconfiguring it from the ground up that takes a lot of time. Also, what if I left my files around in some forgotten place (and I'm pretty sure I did)? Should I run a pacman -Qo on everything? =) I know it would be better to reorganize everything and clean things, I just don't have the time to do it. Corrado From ht990332 at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 08:34:03 2008 From: ht990332 at gmail.com (Hussam Al-Tayeb) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:34:03 +0200 Subject: [arch-general] Subversion error? In-Reply-To: <50673e970801161910v674f3951nd541641f04e50bc7@mail.gmail.com> References: <50673e970801161910v674f3951nd541641f04e50bc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1200576843.17330.4.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 22:10 -0500, Loui wrote: > Hello! > I don't know if this should go in flyspray because I'm using testing > pkgs and such so I'll just write here. > I think subversion needs to be rebuilt to link to the new Perl. > > I get an error when using git-svn > /usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/current/i686-linux-thread-multi/auto/SVN/_Core/_Core.so: > undefined symbol: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr > > I built 1.4.6 it myself and it got past that error but I hit another one: > Bad URL passed to RA layer: Unrecognized URL scheme for > 'http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad' at > /usr/bin/git-svn line 1043 > > I also removed subversion-neon.patch because a hunk failed... maybe it > was needed? I don't know. > I admit I don't really know what's going on. Can someone smarter than > me help me out? > Thanks! > Subversion needs neon for webdav support. Without webdav support, subversion can't read from http:// This means 'svn http://****' won't work. The patch makes subversion build against neon 0.27.x Without the patch, subversion won't build against neon and webdav support will be disabled. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From ht990332 at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 08:48:07 2008 From: ht990332 at gmail.com (Hussam Al-Tayeb) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:48:07 +0200 Subject: [arch-general] Subversion error? In-Reply-To: <50673e970801161910v674f3951nd541641f04e50bc7@mail.gmail.com> References: <50673e970801161910v674f3951nd541641f04e50bc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1200577688.17330.6.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 22:10 -0500, Loui wrote: > Hello! > I don't know if this should go in flyspray because I'm using testing > pkgs and such so I'll just write here. > I think subversion needs to be rebuilt to link to the new Perl. > > I get an error when using git-svn > /usr/bin/perl: symbol lookup error: > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/current/i686-linux-thread-multi/auto/SVN/_Core/_Core.so: > undefined symbol: Perl_Tstack_sp_ptr > > I built 1.4.6 it myself and it got past that error but I hit another one: > Bad URL passed to RA layer: Unrecognized URL scheme for > 'http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/brlcad/brlcad' at > /usr/bin/git-svn line 1043 > > I also removed subversion-neon.patch because a hunk failed... maybe it > was needed? I don't know. > I admit I don't really know what's going on. Can someone smarter than > me help me out? > Thanks! > Try this patch instead. I simply manually applied the last part and rediffed. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: subversion-neon.patch Type: text/x-patch Size: 2042 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From markc at renta.net Thu Jan 17 09:06:43 2008 From: markc at renta.net (Mark Constable) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:06:43 +1000 Subject: [arch-general] arch32 -> arch64 migration without reinstalling In-Reply-To: References: <200801111521.44473.t.powa@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200801180006.43770.markc@renta.net> On Thursday 17 January 2008 23:30:44 bardo wrote: > Yes, it does. It's reconfiguring it from the ground up that takes a > lot of time. Also, what if I left my files around in some forgotten > place (and I'm pretty sure I did)? Should I run a pacman -Qo on > everything? =) > I know it would be better to reorganize everything and clean things, I > just don't have the time to do it. I would use (q)parted to create an extra 5Gb to 10Gb partition and install a 64bit AL into it and simply mount the same /home partition. Just add the 64bit partition /boot/* files to the current 32bit menu.lst and dual boot. Take your time to tweak the new 64bit world and be able to drop back to your old 32bit system if need be and/or use it as a chroot to run some 32bit apps from the new 64bit world anyway. --markc From louipc.ist at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 18:08:56 2008 From: louipc.ist at gmail.com (Loui) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:08:56 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] Subversion error? In-Reply-To: <1200577688.17330.6.camel@localhost> References: <50673e970801161910v674f3951nd541641f04e50bc7@mail.gmail.com> <1200577688.17330.6.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <50673e970801171508gceb58b4y65353d85b7435d31@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 17, 2008 8:48 AM, Hussam Al-Tayeb wrote: > Try this patch instead. I simply manually applied the last part and > rediffed. Ahh. That'll explain it. Thanks. From firmicus at ankabut.net Fri Jan 18 10:36:28 2008 From: firmicus at ankabut.net (=?UTF-8?B?RnJhbsOnb2lzIENoYXJldHRl?=) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:36:28 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] question about vlc package Message-ID: <4790C77C.8000906@ankabut.net> Today I needed to look at a video stream (with firefox) that required the vlc mozilla plugin. So I installed the vlc package but was surprised that it does not provide the plugin. The latter is in AUR/unsupported (as vlc-plugin) and requires building the whole beast just to have that one little .so file. Being a TU I could move vlc-plugin to community, but I first wanted to ask whether there is any compelling reason for not providing it with the vlc package in the first place? Thanks, F From ilbardo at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 10:55:44 2008 From: ilbardo at gmail.com (bardo) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:55:44 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] question about vlc package In-Reply-To: <4790C77C.8000906@ankabut.net> References: <4790C77C.8000906@ankabut.net> Message-ID: 2008/1/18, Fran?ois Charette : > Today I needed to look at a video stream (with firefox) that required > the vlc mozilla plugin. So I installed the vlc package but was surprised > that it does not provide the plugin. I remember the mozilla plugin was disabled from the build because it was rather unstable. I don't know what the current situation is. Corrado From firmicus at ankabut.net Fri Jan 18 11:07:06 2008 From: firmicus at ankabut.net (=?UTF-8?B?RnJhbsOnb2lzIENoYXJldHRl?=) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:07:06 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] question about vlc package In-Reply-To: References: <4790C77C.8000906@ankabut.net> Message-ID: <4790CEAA.4080502@ankabut.net> bardo a ?crit : > 2008/1/18, Fran?ois Charette : > >> Today I needed to look at a video stream (with firefox) that required >> the vlc mozilla plugin. So I installed the vlc package but was surprised >> that it does not provide the plugin. >> > > I remember the mozilla plugin was disabled from the build because it > was rather unstable. I don't know what the current situation is. > > Corrado > Allright. It has proven stable until now, but I'll submit it to further tests. thanks From that-guy at earthling.net Fri Jan 18 11:26:30 2008 From: that-guy at earthling.net (Ryan Ply) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:26:30 -0800 Subject: [arch-general] question about vlc package In-Reply-To: <4790C77C.8000906@ankabut.net> References: <4790C77C.8000906@ankabut.net> Message-ID: <20080118162630.GC13473@myhost.mynetwork> On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 04:36:28PM +0100, Fran?ois Charette wrote: > Today I needed to look at a video stream (with firefox) that required the > vlc mozilla plugin. So I installed the vlc package but was surprised that > it does not provide the plugin. The latter is in AUR/unsupported (as > vlc-plugin) and requires building the whole beast just to have that one > little .so file. Being a TU I could move vlc-plugin to community, but I > first wanted to ask whether there is any compelling reason for not > providing it with the vlc package in the first place? > > Thanks, > F Does it conflict with mplayer-plugin at all? I have vlc, mplayer, and mplayer-plugin on my system. Ryan - From jan at jgc.homeip.net Fri Jan 18 13:17:15 2008 From: jan at jgc.homeip.net (Jan de Groot) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:17:15 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] question about vlc package In-Reply-To: <20080118162630.GC13473@myhost.mynetwork> References: <4790C77C.8000906@ankabut.net> <20080118162630.GC13473@myhost.mynetwork> Message-ID: <1200680235.17789.0.camel@server.groot.local> On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 08:26 -0800, Ryan Ply wrote: > On Fri, Jan 18, 2008 at 04:36:28PM +0100, Fran?ois Charette wrote: > > Today I needed to look at a video stream (with firefox) that required the > > vlc mozilla plugin. So I installed the vlc package but was surprised that > > it does not provide the plugin. The latter is in AUR/unsupported (as > > vlc-plugin) and requires building the whole beast just to have that one > > little .so file. Being a TU I could move vlc-plugin to community, but I > > first wanted to ask whether there is any compelling reason for not > > providing it with the vlc package in the first place? > > > > Thanks, > > F > > Does it conflict with mplayer-plugin at all? I have vlc, mplayer, and > mplayer-plugin on my system. > > Ryan - Yes it does, just like totem-plugin registers itself for mediafiles. There's a reason to splitup these packages. From rcoacci at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 15:52:04 2008 From: rcoacci at gmail.com (Rodrigo Coacci) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:52:04 -0200 Subject: [arch-general] KDE4 Anyone? Message-ID: So have anyone got up and running with KDE4 on Arch? I know about kdemod testing, but they miss some dependencies (tapioca-qt, strigi...), so to do those by hand i'd prefer to do all myself :-P Also, any ideas on when we'll get KDE4 on extra or even testing? -- Cheers Rodrigo A computer is like air conditioning: it becomes useless when you open windows. ~Linus Torvalds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wd at wdicc.com Sat Jan 19 18:13:37 2008 From: wd at wdicc.com (wd) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 07:13:37 +0800 Subject: [arch-general] KDE4 Anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Seemes waiting KDE4.1 now? 2008/1/20, Rodrigo Coacci : > > So have anyone got up and running with KDE4 on Arch? I know about kdemod > testing, but they miss some dependencies (tapioca-qt, strigi...), so to do > those by hand i'd prefer to do all myself :-P > Also, any ideas on when we'll get KDE4 on extra or even testing? > > -- > Cheers > Rodrigo > > A computer is like air conditioning: it becomes useless when you open > windows. > ~Linus Torvalds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From damnshock at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 18:20:30 2008 From: damnshock at gmail.com (Marc Deop i =?iso-8859-15?q?Argem=ED?=) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:20:30 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] KDE4 Anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200801200020.36385.damnshock@gmail.com> On Saturday 19 January 2008, Rodrigo Coacci wrote: > So have anyone got up and running with KDE4 on Arch? I know about kdemod > testing, but they miss some dependencies (tapioca-qt, strigi...), so to do > those by hand i'd prefer to do all myself :-P Have you tried Tardo's repo? > Also, any ideas on when we'll get KDE4 on extra or even testing? Not soon ;) Probably not untill 4.1 comes up -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From redshift at pandora.be Sat Jan 19 18:26:07 2008 From: redshift at pandora.be (RedShift) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:26:07 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] KDE4 Anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4792870F.2000701@pandora.be> Rodrigo Coacci wrote: > So have anyone got up and running with KDE4 on Arch? I know about kdemod > testing, but they miss some dependencies (tapioca-qt, strigi...), so to > do those by hand i'd prefer to do all myself :-P > Also, any ideas on when we'll get KDE4 on extra or even testing? > > -- > Cheers > Rodrigo > IMO KDE 4 is all but ready for production, from what I've heard even the KDE developpers suggest waiting untill at least KDE 4.1 for it to be actually usable. Glenn From markc at renta.net Sun Jan 20 00:52:00 2008 From: markc at renta.net (Mark Constable) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:52:00 +1000 Subject: [arch-general] KDE4 Anyone? In-Reply-To: <4792870F.2000701@pandora.be> References: <4792870F.2000701@pandora.be> Message-ID: <200801201552.00783.markc@renta.net> On 20 Jan 2008 09:26, RedShift wrote: > > So have anyone got up and running with KDE4 on Arch? I know about kdemod > > testing, but they miss some dependencies (tapioca-qt, strigi...), so to > > do those by hand i'd prefer to do all myself :-P Aparently waiting on pacman 3.1.1, in a few days, to sort out some dependency issues. Keep an eye on this thread... http://www.kdemod.ath.cx/bbs/viewtopic.php?id=406&action=new > > Also, any ideas on when we'll get KDE4 on extra or even testing? > > IMO KDE 4 is all but ready for production, from what I've heard even the > KDE developpers suggest waiting untill at least KDE 4.1 for it to be > actually usable. It's usable to varying degrees right now and a lot of folks are just keen to try it out. I've got a Kubuntu laptop and even just using their KDE4 packages on top of 3.5.8 KWin (without the plasma desktop) is a worthwhile experience. --markc From jjdanimoth at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 05:09:01 2008 From: jjdanimoth at gmail.com (JJDaNiMoTh) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 11:09:01 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] KDE4 Anyone? In-Reply-To: <4792870F.2000701@pandora.be> References: <4792870F.2000701@pandora.be> Message-ID: <20080120110901.3aefdf18.jjdanimoth@gmail.com> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:26:07 +0100 RedShift wrote: > Rodrigo Coacci wrote: > > So have anyone got up and running with KDE4 on Arch? I know about kdemod > > testing, but they miss some dependencies (tapioca-qt, strigi...), so to > > do those by hand i'd prefer to do all myself :-P > > Also, any ideas on when we'll get KDE4 on extra or even testing? > > > > -- > > Cheers > > Rodrigo > > > > > IMO KDE 4 is all but ready for production, from what I've heard even the > KDE developpers suggest waiting untill at least KDE 4.1 for it to be > actually usable. > > Glenn > http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174 KDE 4.0 != KDE4 ... and devs of arch know it :) -- JJDaNiMoTh - ArchLinux Trusted User -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20080120110901.3aefdf18.jjdanimoth@gmail.com> References: <4792870F.2000701@pandora.be> <20080120110901.3aefdf18.jjdanimoth@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801202051.17226.markc@renta.net> On 20 Jan 2008 20:09, JJDaNiMoTh wrote: > http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174 > KDE 4.0 != KDE4 ... and devs of arch know it :) This comment sums up the posting, which seems to be a bit of magnet for those who want to point how untidy the 4.0 release was... http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174#comment-7091 The original canonical posting about 4.0, for anyone who might have missed it, is... http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/01/talking-bluntly.html pacman 3.1.1 will be out in a few days (I presume) and that will help the next KDEmod4 release, KDE 4.0.1 will be out in maybe 2 weeks with a first round of fixes and Qt4.4 will be out in about 8 weeks and that will enable plasma to be far more complete around KDE 4.0.3. --markc From rcoacci at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 11:37:00 2008 From: rcoacci at gmail.com (Rodrigo Coacci) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:37:00 -0200 Subject: [arch-general] KDE4 Anyone? In-Reply-To: <200801202051.17226.markc@renta.net> References: <4792870F.2000701@pandora.be> <20080120110901.3aefdf18.jjdanimoth@gmail.com> <200801202051.17226.markc@renta.net> Message-ID: On Jan 20, 2008 8:51 AM, Mark Constable wrote: > On 20 Jan 2008 20:09, JJDaNiMoTh wrote: > > http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174 > > KDE 4.0 != KDE4 ... and devs of arch know it :) > > This comment sums up the posting, which seems to be a bit > of magnet for those who want to point how untidy the 4.0 > release was... > > http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174#comment-7091 > > The original canonical posting about 4.0, for anyone who > might have missed it, is... > > http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/01/talking-bluntly.html > > pacman 3.1.1 will be out in a few days (I presume) and that > will help the next KDEmod4 release, KDE 4.0.1 will be out > in maybe 2 weeks with a first round of fixes and Qt4.4 will > be out in about 8 weeks and that will enable plasma to be > far more complete around KDE 4.0.3. > > --markc > > Well, from the kdemod thread it seems I'll have to upgrade arch to testing, so I guess I'll stick with my Xfce for now... Thanks everybody for the replies. -- Cheers Rodrigo A computer is like air conditioning: it becomes useless when you open windows. ~Linus Torvalds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ml at deprecated.it Sun Jan 20 16:03:49 2008 From: ml at deprecated.it (Federico Manganelli) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:03:49 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] KDE4 Anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200801202203.49927.ml@deprecated.it> Il Saturday 19 January 2008 21:52:04 Rodrigo Coacci ha scritto: > So have anyone got up and running with KDE4 on Arch? I know about kdemod > testing, but they miss some dependencies (tapioca-qt, strigi...), so to do > those by hand i'd prefer to do all myself :-P > Also, any ideas on when we'll get KDE4 on extra or even testing? I use kde4 for my box for two month as my desktop and I'm quite happy with it I like to see changes and improvement come up day by day, it's very interesting , and I do my works as well. I build it from source from svn using kdesvn-build , a great tool you can find here http://kdesvn-build.kde.org/ It's very simple to configure and It will build every kde module you need installing it where you want. My kde4 installation is in /opt/kde4 and don't mess with pacman database since it's not packaged. :-) Since the stuff is all there if I want to remove it I simply delete that folder and start again. So , tweak your .kdesvn-buildrc as you want , build with kdesvn-build --debug kdesupport kdelibs kdepimlibs kdebase set up a correct environment for the user (better with a script in /etc/profile.d) and you're done with your kde4 experience. cheers From rcoacci at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 19:58:25 2008 From: rcoacci at gmail.com (Rodrigo Coacci) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:58:25 -0200 Subject: [arch-general] KDE4 Anyone? In-Reply-To: <200801202203.49927.ml@deprecated.it> References: <200801202203.49927.ml@deprecated.it> Message-ID: On Jan 20, 2008 7:03 PM, Federico Manganelli wrote: > Il Saturday 19 January 2008 21:52:04 Rodrigo Coacci ha scritto: > > So have anyone got up and running with KDE4 on Arch? I know about kdemod > > testing, but they miss some dependencies (tapioca-qt, strigi...), so to > do > > those by hand i'd prefer to do all myself :-P > > Also, any ideas on when we'll get KDE4 on extra or even testing? > > I use kde4 for my box for two month as my desktop and I'm quite happy with > it > I like to see changes and improvement come up day by day, it's very > interesting , and I do my works as well. > I build it from source from svn using kdesvn-build , a great tool you can > find here > http://kdesvn-build.kde.org/ > It's very simple to configure and It will build every kde module you need > installing it where you want. My kde4 installation is in /opt/kde4 > and don't mess with pacman database since it's not packaged. :-) > Since the stuff is all there if I want to remove it I simply delete that > folder and start again. > So , tweak your .kdesvn-buildrc as you want , build with > kdesvn-build --debug kdesupport kdelibs kdepimlibs kdebase > set up a correct environment for the user (better with a script in > /etc/profile.d) and you're done with your kde4 experience. > cheers > > > > > Interesting. I'll try it if I get some spare time. -- Cheers, Rodrigo A computer is like air conditioning: it becomes useless when you open windows. ~Linus Torvalds -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markc at renta.net Sun Jan 20 20:27:27 2008 From: markc at renta.net (Mark Constable) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:27:27 +1000 Subject: [arch-general] KDE4 Anyone? In-Reply-To: References: <200801202203.49927.ml@deprecated.it> Message-ID: <200801211127.27621.markc@renta.net> On Monday 21 January 2008 10:58:25 Rodrigo Coacci wrote: > > I build it from source from svn using kdesvn-build, > > a great tool you can find here > > http://kdesvn-build.kde.org/ > > It's very simple to configure and It will build every > > kde module you need installing it where you want. My > > kde4 installation is in /opt/kde4 > > ... > Interesting. I'll try it if I get some spare time. I just tried it and am now stuck at this point and no amount of googling is getting me a solution. I'm not soliciting any suggestions, wrong list for that, just pointing out it may not be such an easy path after all. The QtDBus module cannot be enabled because libdbus-1 version 0.62 was not found. Turn on verbose messaging (-v) to /home/laptop/Desktop/Devel/kdesvn/qt-copy/configure.new to see the final report. So there is this generic kdesvn-build solution, kdemod4 which will probably be usable rsn, some very old kde4-svn packages in AUR, some 64bit packages from tanis but I can't find the source packages. Anyone else know of any other options ? --markc From ml at deprecated.it Mon Jan 21 04:25:57 2008 From: ml at deprecated.it (Federico Manganelli) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:25:57 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] KDE4 Anyone? In-Reply-To: <200801211127.27621.markc@renta.net> References: <200801211127.27621.markc@renta.net> Message-ID: <200801211025.57952.ml@deprecated.it> Il Monday 21 January 2008 02:27:27 Mark Constable ha scritto: > On Monday 21 January 2008 10:58:25 Rodrigo Coacci wrote: > > > I build it from source from svn using kdesvn-build, > > > a great tool you can find here > > > http://kdesvn-build.kde.org/ > > > It's very simple to configure and It will build every > > > kde module you need installing it where you want. My > > > kde4 installation is in /opt/kde4 > > > ... > > > > Interesting. I'll try it if I get some spare time. > > I just tried it and am now stuck at this point and no amount > of googling is getting me a solution. I'm not soliciting any > suggestions, wrong list for that, just pointing out it may > not be such an easy path after all. > > The QtDBus module cannot be enabled because libdbus-1 > version 0.62 was not found. Turn on verbose messaging (-v) > to /home/laptop/Desktop/Devel/kdesvn/qt-copy/configure.new > to see the final report. > I had never built qt-copy with kdesvn-build, I commented it out in the config and stay with default qt (4.3.3 now in extra) arch package. Never had problems. I've also kdemod qt package installed but they don't interfere if you set the right environment. I do source of this file after text login (no kdm here): http://pastebin.ca/867293 to set the environment , then simply startx (pointing your .xinitrc to startkde) I hope this will help someone else :-) cheers From rterry at gnumed.net Mon Jan 21 22:33:03 2008 From: rterry at gnumed.net (richard terry) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:33:03 +1100 Subject: [arch-general] makepkg running as root Message-ID: <200801221433.03492.rterry@gnumed.net> Sometimes I build packages from AUR, and (obviously wrongly), do this as root. Today I got this message: ==> ERROR: Running makepkg as root is a BAD idea and can cause permanent, catastrophic damage to your system. If you wish to run as root, please use the --asroot option. Can someone explain. Richard From aaronmgriffin at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 22:42:10 2008 From: aaronmgriffin at gmail.com (Aaron Griffin) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:42:10 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] makepkg running as root In-Reply-To: <200801221433.03492.rterry@gnumed.net> References: <200801221433.03492.rterry@gnumed.net> Message-ID: On Jan 21, 2008 9:33 PM, richard terry wrote: > Sometimes I build packages from AUR, and (obviously wrongly), do this as root. > > Today I got this message: > > ==> ERROR: Running makepkg as root is a BAD idea and can cause > permanent, catastrophic damage to your system. If you > wish to run as root, please use the --asroot option. > > Can someone explain. What's to explain that that message didn't already explain? From dpmcgee at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 22:51:59 2008 From: dpmcgee at gmail.com (Dan McGee) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:51:59 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] makepkg running as root In-Reply-To: References: <200801221433.03492.rterry@gnumed.net> Message-ID: <449c10960801211951n3b711495ue0ec20b5c0300e02@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 21, 2008 9:42 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote: > > On Jan 21, 2008 9:33 PM, richard terry wrote: > > Sometimes I build packages from AUR, and (obviously wrongly), do this as root. > > > > Today I got this message: > > > > ==> ERROR: Running makepkg as root is a BAD idea and can cause > > permanent, catastrophic damage to your system. If you > > wish to run as root, please use the --asroot option. > > > > Can someone explain. > > What's to explain that that message didn't already explain? makepkg by default uses sudo/fakeroot to get things done, as building a package never requires that you actually modify files on your real system, but we do want the permissions to be set correctly inside the built package. This removes the need to run makepkg as root and reduces the security risk of a malicious PKGBUILD destroying your system. Just think of what this would do as root in a PKGBUILD: build() { echo "You've been pwned!!!" rm -rf / } -Dan From rterry at gnumed.net Mon Jan 21 23:30:49 2008 From: rterry at gnumed.net (richard terry) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:30:49 +1100 Subject: [arch-general] makepkg running as root Message-ID: <200801221530.49983.rterry@gnumed.net> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:42:10 pm you wrote: > On Jan 21, 2008 9:33 PM, richard terry wrote: > > Sometimes I build packages from AUR, and (obviously wrongly), do this as > > root. > > > > Today I got this message: > > > > ==> ERROR: Running makepkg as root is a BAD idea and can cause > > ? ? permanent, catastrophic damage to your system. If you > > ? ? wish to run as root, please use the --asroot option. > > > > Can someone explain. > > What's to explain that that message didn't already explain? Just what it could do to your system. See the attatched PKGBUILD (which I adapted from an old one in AuR) I tried to compile it as myself, and it crashed at the end of the build, (sorry didn't keep messages), saying something about not being able to write to some directory or other (ok, so I'm not a geek!!!). When I re-built it as root it worked fine. BTW, could you/someone checkout this PKGBUILD file and tell me what's wrong with the way I've adapted it (I'm assuming its not correct, though it works as I did it with no understanding of what I'm doing. Thanks. Richard -------------- next part -------------- # Contributor: Toni Foerster # changed by Richard Terry (so it is probably Wrong! rterry at gnumed.net # to get the lastest development branch of Gambas libffi added as dependency pkgname=gambas2-svn-1028 pkgver=20082201 pkgrel=2 pkgdesc="Gambas is a free development environment based on a Basic interpreter." arch=('i686') url="http://gambas.sourceforge.net" depends=('libldap' 'librsvg' 'postgresql' 'libmysqlclient' 'curl' 'sqlite2' \ 'sqlite3' 'sdl_mixer' 'sdl_image' 'unixodbc' 'kdelibs' 'poppler' \ 'libfbclient' 'omniorb' 'libffi') license=('GPL') conflicts=('gambas_2' 'gambas2') install=gambas2-svn.install source=(gambas2.desktop gambas2.png) md5sums=('421d09a2868e163dcfae24687cdf5c4a' '72dad89f2b239925f8766f2adf4756b8') _svntrunk=https://gambas.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/gambas/gambas/branches/2.0/ _svnrevision=1028 build() { cd $startdir/src/ msg "Checking out svn-tree..." svn checkout -r $_svnrevision $_svntrunk|| return 1 cd $startdir/src/2.0/ msg "Configure files..." ./reconf-all ./configure --disable-qte \ --prefix=/usr msg "Start Compiling..." make bindir=$startdir/pkg/usr/bin || return 1 make DESTDIR=$startdir/pkg install || return 1 chmod -R 755 $startdir/pkg/usr/share/gambas2/help install -D -m644 $startdir/src/gambas2.desktop \ $startdir/pkg/usr/share/applications/gambas2.desktop install -D -m644 $startdir/src/gambas2.png \ $startdir/pkg/usr/share/pixmaps/gambas2.png } From mail at hehejo.de Tue Jan 22 01:47:45 2008 From: mail at hehejo.de (Johannes Held) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:47:45 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] makepkg running as root In-Reply-To: <449c10960801211951n3b711495ue0ec20b5c0300e02@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801221433.03492.rterry@gnumed.net> <449c10960801211951n3b711495ue0ec20b5c0300e02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080122074745.76c8f7b1@hehejo.de> "Dan McGee" : > Just think of what this would do as root in a PKGBUILD: > > build() { > echo "You've been pwned!!!" > rm -rf / > } This is the reason why I always take a look into a PGKBUILD before makepkging it (as user of course!). -- Gru?, Johannes T?glich http://blog.hehejo.de und du f?hlst dich gut. http://cryptocd.eduforge.org/online_version -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They can also contain rm -rf / in post_install, those are executed by root when you install the package ;) From thomas at archlinux.org Tue Jan 22 05:06:15 2008 From: thomas at archlinux.org (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Thomas_B=E4chler?=) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:06:15 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] makepkg running as root In-Reply-To: <001a01c85cc9$903dcbd0$b0b96370$@homeip.net> References: <200801221433.03492.rterry@gnumed.net> <449c10960801211951n3b711495ue0ec20b5c0300e02@mail.gmail.com> <001a01c85cc9$903dcbd0$b0b96370$@homeip.net> Message-ID: <4795C017.7080603@archlinux.org> Jan de Groot schrieb: >> Just think of what this would do as root in a PKGBUILD: >> >> build() { >> echo "You've been pwned!!!" >> rm -rf / >> } >> > > Be sure to check .install files too. They can also contain rm -rf / in post_install, those are executed by root when you install the package ;) You guys DO know that 'rm -rf /' is a harmless command that simply exits with an error message? You should use 'rm -rf /*' to kill someone's system. However, the problem with makepkg as root can be more subtle: If a broken PKGBUILD or Makefile installs files into / instead of ${startdir}/pkg, files will be missing in your package. However, you will not notice it, as the files are present in your system, and there won't be any error messages during the build process. I met a user on IRC once who claimed his PKGBUILD and the resulting package were fine, but the package was indeed empty, instead makepkg installed all files directly into his system - these files were now unknown to pacman. Worst case (apart from a malicious PKGBUILD) is that you overwrite critical system configuration files or libraries and render your system unusable. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From denisfalqueto at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 05:27:35 2008 From: denisfalqueto at gmail.com (Denis Alessandro Altoe Falqueto) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:27:35 -0200 Subject: [arch-general] makepkg running as root In-Reply-To: <200801221530.49983.rterry@gnumed.net> References: <200801221530.49983.rterry@gnumed.net> Message-ID: On Jan 22, 2008 2:30 AM, richard terry wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:42:10 pm you wrote: > > On Jan 21, 2008 9:33 PM, richard terry wrote: > > > Sometimes I build packages from AUR, and (obviously wrongly), do this as > > > root. > > > > > > Today I got this message: > > > > > > ==> ERROR: Running makepkg as root is a BAD idea and can cause > > > permanent, catastrophic damage to your system. If you > > > wish to run as root, please use the --asroot option. > > > > > > Can someone explain. > > > > What's to explain that that message didn't already explain? > > Just what it could do to your system. > > See the attatched PKGBUILD (which I adapted from an old one in AuR) > > I tried to compile it as myself, and it crashed at the end of the build, > (sorry didn't keep messages), saying something about not being able to write > to some directory or other (ok, so I'm not a geek!!!). When I re-built it as > root it worked fine. > > BTW, could you/someone checkout this PKGBUILD file and tell me what's wrong > with the way I've adapted it (I'm assuming its not correct, though it works > as I did it with no understanding of what I'm doing. > > Thanks. > > Richard > I can't see any problems with it, related to your error messages. Indeed, the error you reported can be related with the user that created the directory where you are building the package (the directory that contains PKGBUILD). If you created it as root, it will be owned by root and you probably will not be able to create anything inside it as a normal user. I had this same problem yesterday and decided to use the option --asroot because I was sure that the PKGBUILD was ok and would not hurt my system in anyway (my lazynes didn't let me change the owner nor the permissions of the directory). I think the better solution would be to change the permissions or the owner of the directory so that you can write on it normally, but if you are in a hurry, you can use that option and it will work fine. Before pacman 3.1 I created all my personal packages as root and now I will have to correct my /var/abs/local tree. Hope that helps. -- ------------------------------------------- Denis A. Altoe Falqueto ------------------------------------------- From colin.pitrat at amadeus.com Tue Jan 22 05:38:24 2008 From: colin.pitrat at amadeus.com (Colin Pitrat) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:38:24 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] makepkg running as root In-Reply-To: <4795C017.7080603@archlinux.org> Message-ID: > You guys DO know that 'rm -rf /' is a harmless command that simply exits > with an error message? You should use 'rm -rf /*' to kill someone's system. You say that hoping that some of us will try 'rm -rf /' ? By the way, I fear 'rm -rf ~' as standard user as much as I fear 'rm -rf /' as root (call me believer, I'm pretty sure it works on some systems). Regards, Colin Pitrat Jan de Groot schrieb: >> Just think of what this would do as root in a PKGBUILD: >> >> build() { >> echo "You've been pwned!!!" >> rm -rf / >> } >> > > Be sure to check .install files too. They can also contain rm -rf / in post_install, those are executed by root when you install the package ;) However, the problem with makepkg as root can be more subtle: If a broken PKGBUILD or Makefile installs files into / instead of ${startdir}/pkg, files will be missing in your package. However, you will not notice it, as the files are present in your system, and there won't be any error messages during the build process. I met a user on IRC once who claimed his PKGBUILD and the resulting package were fine, but the package was indeed empty, instead makepkg installed all files directly into his system - these files were now unknown to pacman. Worst case (apart from a malicious PKGBUILD) is that you overwrite critical system configuration files or libraries and render your system unusable. [attachment "signature.asc" deleted by Colin Pitrat/NCE/AMADEUS] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colin.pitrat at amadeus.com Tue Jan 22 05:42:01 2008 From: colin.pitrat at amadeus.com (Colin Pitrat) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:42:01 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] makepkg running as root In-Reply-To: <4795C017.7080603@archlinux.org> Message-ID: Here is a proof that I was right to believe. On Ubuntu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4fzInlyYQo Regards, Colin Pitrat Thomas B?chler To General Discusson about Arch Linux cc Subject Re: [arch-general] makepkg running as root Thomas B?chler Please respond to : General Discusson about Arch Linux Sent by: arch-general-bounces at archlinux.org 22/01/2008 11:06 Jan de Groot schrieb: >> Just think of what this would do as root in a PKGBUILD: >> >> build() { >> echo "You've been pwned!!!" >> rm -rf / >> } >> > > Be sure to check .install files too. They can also contain rm -rf / in post_install, those are executed by root when you install the package ;) You guys DO know that 'rm -rf /' is a harmless command that simply exits with an error message? You should use 'rm -rf /*' to kill someone's system. However, the problem with makepkg as root can be more subtle: If a broken PKGBUILD or Makefile installs files into / instead of ${startdir}/pkg, files will be missing in your package. However, you will not notice it, as the files are present in your system, and there won't be any error messages during the build process. I met a user on IRC once who claimed his PKGBUILD and the resulting package were fine, but the package was indeed empty, instead makepkg installed all files directly into his system - these files were now unknown to pacman. Worst case (apart from a malicious PKGBUILD) is that you overwrite critical system configuration files or libraries and render your system unusable. [attachment "signature.asc" deleted by Colin Pitrat/NCE/AMADEUS] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kanocz at intrak.sk Tue Jan 22 05:59:12 2008 From: kanocz at intrak.sk (Sentinel) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:59:12 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] makepkg running as root In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4795CC80.6020503@intrak.sk> Hi, 'rm -rf /' works on debian and debian like systems. I tried it in a virtual machine. I used Debian for 4 years before I moved to arch two weeks ago. I find the fakeroot a good security wall. A always use it. Tom Kanocz, Slovakia Colin Pitrat wrote: > > > You guys DO know that 'rm -rf /' is a harmless command that simply exits > > with an error message? You should use 'rm -rf /*' to kill someone's > system. > > You say that hoping that some of us will try 'rm -rf /' ? > > By the way, I fear 'rm -rf ~' as standard user as much as I fear 'rm > -rf /' as root (call me believer, I'm pretty sure it works on some > systems). > > Regards, > Colin Pitrat > > > > Jan de Groot schrieb: > >> Just think of what this would do as root in a PKGBUILD: > >> > >> build() { > >> echo "You've been pwned!!!" > >> rm -rf / > >> } > >> > > > > Be sure to check .install files too. They can also contain rm -rf / > in post_install, those are executed by root when you install the > package ;) > > > > However, the problem with makepkg as root can be more subtle: If a > broken PKGBUILD or Makefile installs files into / instead of > ${startdir}/pkg, files will be missing in your package. However, you > will not notice it, as the files are present in your system, and there > won't be any error messages during the build process. > > I met a user on IRC once who claimed his PKGBUILD and the resulting > package were fine, but the package was indeed empty, instead makepkg > installed all files directly into his system - these files were now > unknown to pacman. > > Worst case (apart from a malicious PKGBUILD) is that you overwrite > critical system configuration files or libraries and render your system > unusable. > > [attachment "signature.asc" deleted by Colin Pitrat/NCE/AMADEUS] From roman.kyrylych at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 06:02:45 2008 From: roman.kyrylych at gmail.com (Roman Kyrylych) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:02:45 +0200 Subject: [arch-general] makepkg running as root In-Reply-To: References: <4795C017.7080603@archlinux.org> Message-ID: <577f15290801220302q41bd9f50wbb038d069c8e98f2@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/22, Colin Pitrat : > > > You guys DO know that 'rm -rf /' is a harmless command that simply exits > > with an error message? You should use 'rm -rf /*' to kill someone's > system. > > You say that hoping that some of us will try 'rm -rf /' ? > > By the way, I fear 'rm -rf ~' as standard user as much as I fear 'rm -rf /' > as root (call me believer, I'm pretty sure it works on some systems). AFAIR rm -rf works only on a system with pre-6.x coreutils (and without a backport). -- Roman Kyrylych (????? ???????) From thomas at archlinux.org Tue Jan 22 06:11:53 2008 From: thomas at archlinux.org (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Thomas_B=E4chler?=) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:11:53 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] makepkg running as root In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4795CF79.5090107@archlinux.org> Colin Pitrat schrieb: > Here is a proof that I was right to believe. On Ubuntu: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4fzInlyYQo > > Regards, > Colin Pitrat It's a recent change in coreutils 6. 'Cannot remove root directory /'. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 260 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From gsnijders at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 06:56:49 2008 From: gsnijders at gmail.com (Guus Snijders) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:56:49 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] makepkg running as root In-Reply-To: <4795CF79.5090107@archlinux.org> References: <4795CF79.5090107@archlinux.org> Message-ID: 2008/1/22, Thomas B?chler : > Colin Pitrat schrieb: > > Here is a proof that I was right to believe. On Ubuntu: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4fzInlyYQo > > > > Regards, > > Colin Pitrat > > It's a recent change in coreutils 6. 'Cannot remove root directory /'. I'm surprised that no-one seems to have checked the manpage for rm: http://linux.die.net/man/1/rm --no-preserve-root do not treat '/' specially (the default) --preserve-root fail to operate recursively on '/' Although i must admit that i didn't check arch's manpage yet. mvg, Guus From slubman.lists at slubman.info Tue Jan 22 06:55:39 2008 From: slubman.lists at slubman.info (slubman) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:55:39 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] makepkg running as root In-Reply-To: References: <4795CF79.5090107@archlinux.org> Message-ID: <200801221255.39361.slubman.lists@slubman.info> Le Mardi 22 Janvier 2008 12:56, Guus Snijders a ?crit?: > I'm surprised that no-one seems to have checked the manpage for rm: > http://linux.die.net/man/1/rm > > --no-preserve-root do not treat '/' specially (the default) > --preserve-root > fail to operate recursively on '/' > > Although i must admit that i didn't check arch's manpage yet. > > In the arch manpage, I can see: --preserve-root do not remove `/' (default) > mvg, > Guus -- slubman site: http://www.slubman.info/ From jan at jgc.homeip.net Tue Jan 22 07:09:38 2008 From: jan at jgc.homeip.net (Jan de Groot) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:09:38 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] makepkg running as root In-Reply-To: <4795CF79.5090107@archlinux.org> References: <4795CF79.5090107@archlinux.org> Message-ID: <009701c85cef$a9b3a140$fd1ae3c0$@homeip.net> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: arch-general-bounces at archlinux.org [mailto:arch-general- > bounces at archlinux.org] Namens Thomas B?chler > Verzonden: dinsdag 22 januari 2008 12:12 > Aan: General Discusson about Arch Linux > Onderwerp: Re: [arch-general] makepkg running as root > > Colin Pitrat schrieb: > > Here is a proof that I was right to believe. On Ubuntu: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4fzInlyYQo > > > > Regards, > > Colin Pitrat > > It's a recent change in coreutils 6. 'Cannot remove root directory /'. It's a quite stupid protection to do in coreutils. On FreeBSD, the / directory has a flag so that you can't change or delete the / itself. They also do this on special system files that shouldn't be overwritten (that's why you can't tar up a FreeBSD system and unpack it on a random other box). From neil at darlow.co.uk Tue Jan 22 07:30:58 2008 From: neil at darlow.co.uk (Neil Darlow) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:30:58 +0000 Subject: [arch-general] Qt3 path setting, is it right? Message-ID: <4795E202.7020400@darlow.co.uk> Hi, I've been building bouml (from AUR) successfully until Qt4 arrived. Examining the build failure it appears that although QTDIR is correctly set for Qt3, the placement of QTDIR/bin at the end of PATH in qt3.sh results in Qt4's qmake taking precedence over that of Qt3. For bouml's build mechanism (no ./configure involved) this leads to qmake-generated files containing resource paths of Qt4. I've managed to get the build to work by placing QTDIR/bin at the head of PATH, using a sed command, but it's seems hackish to me. Is the sourcing of qt3.sh from /etc/profile.d a sensible idea? Would it be better provided as part of the qt3 package and sourced into the PKGBUILD's environment directly? And, surely, placing QTDIR/bin at the end of PATH is not a good idea? Regards, Neil Darlow From dpmcgee at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 08:04:43 2008 From: dpmcgee at gmail.com (Dan McGee) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:04:43 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] Qt3 path setting, is it right? In-Reply-To: <4795E202.7020400@darlow.co.uk> References: <4795E202.7020400@darlow.co.uk> Message-ID: <449c10960801220504v22d36fafpe2c2764550344e58@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 22, 2008 6:30 AM, Neil Darlow wrote: > Is the sourcing of qt3.sh from /etc/profile.d a sensible idea? Would it > be better provided as part of the qt3 package and sourced into the > PKGBUILD's environment directly? Either this, or simply call qmake by its full filesystem path (/opt/qt/bin/qmake). > And, surely, placing QTDIR/bin at the end of PATH is not a good idea? False. Then this exact same problem would come up when building a QT4 package. -Dan From aaronmgriffin at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 12:23:32 2008 From: aaronmgriffin at gmail.com (Aaron Griffin) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:23:32 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] makepkg running as root In-Reply-To: <009701c85cef$a9b3a140$fd1ae3c0$@homeip.net> References: <4795CF79.5090107@archlinux.org> <009701c85cef$a9b3a140$fd1ae3c0$@homeip.net> Message-ID: On Jan 22, 2008 6:09 AM, Jan de Groot wrote: > It's a quite stupid protection to do in coreutils. On FreeBSD, the / > directory has a flag so that you can't change or delete the / itself. They > also do this on special system files that shouldn't be overwritten (that's > why you can't tar up a FreeBSD system and unpack it on a random other box). Agreed. The FreeBSD way is much more sane, though I guess we could model it with immutable files in a way From attila at invalid.invalid Tue Jan 22 13:05:41 2008 From: attila at invalid.invalid (Attila) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:05:41 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] makepkg running as root References: <200801221530.49983.rterry@gnumed.net> Message-ID: On Dienstag, 22. Januar 2008 05:30 richard terry wrote: Only for the stats: This warning is a good idea because that you don't need to be root is one of the big advantages. > I tried to compile it as myself, and it crashed at the end of the build, > (sorry didn't keep messages), saying something about not being able to write > to some directory or other (ok, so I'm not a geek!!!). When I re-built it as > root it worked fine. Okay, i know that it is now too late but before running makepkg as root i would prefer to see what wants to write in which directory. At example i do this which helps me in the most cases: # makepkg 2>&1 | tee build.log # less build.log And with foreign packages and not so much experience a '|| return 1' after each command plus optional a 'return 1' before the last '}' to test it before making the package could helps you getting more and more familiar with it. But this all be only my 2c. Concrete to your PKGBUILD: It looks harmless but it is a developer snapshot so the error could be inside of what you can't control with your PKGBUILD. See you, Attila From rhythm.gan at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 00:17:35 2008 From: rhythm.gan at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?=E7=94=98=E9=9C=B2?=) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:17:35 +0800 Subject: [arch-general] Does pacman support "noarch" now? Message-ID: <1201065455.8611.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> All fonts do not need a "i686" or "x86_64" option but in my memory pacman doesn't support noarch, which makes PKGBUILDs for fonts unable to compile without a unnecessary line. Thanks. From attila at invalid.invalid Wed Jan 23 01:45:11 2008 From: attila at invalid.invalid (Attila) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 07:45:11 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Does pacman support "noarch" now? References: <1201065455.8611.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2008 06:17 ?? wrote: > All fonts do not need a "i686" or "x86_64" option but in my memory > pacman doesn't support noarch, which makes PKGBUILDs for fonts unable to > compile without a unnecessary line. The NEWS link from http://www.archlinux.org/pacman says: - arch=('any') support (FS#8153) See you, Attila From markc at renta.net Wed Jan 23 02:46:28 2008 From: markc at renta.net (Mark Constable) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:46:28 +1000 Subject: [arch-general] Does pacman support "noarch" now? In-Reply-To: References: <1201065455.8611.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200801231746.28820.markc@renta.net> On 23 Jan 2008 16:45, Attila wrote: > > All fonts do not need a "i686" or "x86_64" option but in my memory > > pacman doesn't support noarch, which makes PKGBUILDs for fonts unable to > > compile without a unnecessary line. > > The NEWS link from http://www.archlinux.org/pacman says: > > - arch=('any') support (FS#8153) It's mentioned in the NEWS file and that bug report is very brief so where might the information be on how to actually implement the use of arch=('any') ? The one thing I can glean is that any 'any' packages will be added to all arch databases rather than have a separate directory tree for 'any' arch packages with it's own DB. --markc From roman.kyrylych at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 04:46:04 2008 From: roman.kyrylych at gmail.com (Roman Kyrylych) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:46:04 +0200 Subject: [arch-general] Does pacman support "noarch" now? In-Reply-To: <200801231746.28820.markc@renta.net> References: <1201065455.8611.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200801231746.28820.markc@renta.net> Message-ID: <577f15290801230146q7a1ae9afx44e3b891dadc930b@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/23, Mark Constable : > On 23 Jan 2008 16:45, Attila wrote: > > > All fonts do not need a "i686" or "x86_64" option but in my memory > > > pacman doesn't support noarch, which makes PKGBUILDs for fonts unable to > > > compile without a unnecessary line. > > > > The NEWS link from http://www.archlinux.org/pacman says: > > > > - arch=('any') support (FS#8153) > > It's mentioned in the NEWS file and that bug report is very > brief so where might the information be on how to actually > implement the use of arch=('any') ? > > The one thing I can glean is that any 'any' packages will > be added to all arch databases rather than have a separate > directory tree for 'any' arch packages with it's own DB. > It's not yet implemented on a server side. I'm working on it (though not as fast as I'd wish). You can get more information about this on arch-dev-public archives. -- Roman Kyrylych (????? ???????) From gsnijders at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 05:44:07 2008 From: gsnijders at gmail.com (Guus Snijders) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:44:07 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] makepkg running as root In-Reply-To: References: <4795CF79.5090107@archlinux.org> <009701c85cef$a9b3a140$fd1ae3c0$@homeip.net> Message-ID: 2008/1/22, Aaron Griffin : > On Jan 22, 2008 6:09 AM, Jan de Groot wrote: > > It's a quite stupid protection to do in coreutils. On FreeBSD, the / > > directory has a flag so that you can't change or delete the / itself. They > > also do this on special system files that shouldn't be overwritten (that's > > why you can't tar up a FreeBSD system and unpack it on a random other box). > > Agreed. The FreeBSD way is much more sane, though I guess we could > model it with immutable files in a way Hmm, that would perhaps work for Arch (where one can assume capable users), but personally i like coreutils' approach better. A disadvantage with immutable files is that *the rest* would be removed... mvg, Guus From markc at renta.net Wed Jan 23 07:53:26 2008 From: markc at renta.net (Mark Constable) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:53:26 +1000 Subject: [arch-general] Does pacman support "noarch" now? In-Reply-To: <577f15290801230146q7a1ae9afx44e3b891dadc930b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1201065455.8611.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200801231746.28820.markc@renta.net> <577f15290801230146q7a1ae9afx44e3b891dadc930b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801232253.26417.markc@renta.net> On 23 Jan 2008 19:46, Roman Kyrylych wrote: > It's not yet implemented on a server side. I'm working > on it (though not as fast as I'd wish). You can get more > information about this on arch-dev-public archives. I skimmed the subjects back to November and found some references to pacman 3.1.0 and then 3.1.1 but they were all mainly signoffs and no info or discussion about how to use arch=('any') (that I could find after an hour). http://archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-dev-public I've read through the man pages for pacman, libalpm, pacman.conf, makepkg and the README in the src so any clues from anyone how to use arch=('any') would be appreciated. --markc From roman.kyrylych at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 08:23:50 2008 From: roman.kyrylych at gmail.com (Roman Kyrylych) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:23:50 +0200 Subject: [arch-general] Does pacman support "noarch" now? In-Reply-To: <200801232253.26417.markc@renta.net> References: <1201065455.8611.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200801231746.28820.markc@renta.net> <577f15290801230146q7a1ae9afx44e3b891dadc930b@mail.gmail.com> <200801232253.26417.markc@renta.net> Message-ID: <577f15290801230523q208a8a2wa6233b65b749441f@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/23, Mark Constable : > On 23 Jan 2008 19:46, Roman Kyrylych wrote: > > It's not yet implemented on a server side. I'm working > > on it (though not as fast as I'd wish). You can get more > > information about this on arch-dev-public archives. > > I skimmed the subjects back to November and found some > references to pacman 3.1.0 and then 3.1.1 but they were > all mainly signoffs and no info or discussion about how > to use arch=('any') (that I could find after an hour). > > http://archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-dev-public > > I've read through the man pages for pacman, libalpm, > pacman.conf, makepkg and the README in the src so any > clues from anyone how to use arch=('any') would be > appreciated. Things that work now: * makepkg support to understand arch=('any') and build a package correctly * repo-add/repo-remove work too, so you can create a db with them and test how pacman installs those packages. * pacman should pring 'Architecture: any' on -Si/-Qi Note that repo-add/repo-remove and pacman didn't require a single change to support '-any' packages, that's because they don't care about packages' architecture. Packages produced from PKGBUILD with arch=('any') are _excactly_ same when built on either i686 or x86_64 or even unofficial 'i586' and 'ppc' (when built with makepkg >= 3.0). (They can differ only by build timestamp) Right now, '-any' packages cannot be used in AUR and official repos yet. You may use them for your own local repo for arch-independent packages if you have both i686 and x86_64 installed. Be sure to add '-any' to both i686 and x86_64 localrepo.db.tar.gz files when updating your repo db. -- Roman Kyrylych (????? ???????) From dpmcgee at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 09:20:23 2008 From: dpmcgee at gmail.com (Dan McGee) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:20:23 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] Does pacman support "noarch" now? In-Reply-To: <577f15290801230523q208a8a2wa6233b65b749441f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1201065455.8611.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200801231746.28820.markc@renta.net> <577f15290801230146q7a1ae9afx44e3b891dadc930b@mail.gmail.com> <200801232253.26417.markc@renta.net> <577f15290801230523q208a8a2wa6233b65b749441f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <449c10960801230620u140c4df9kbe3a03018298ad60@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 23, 2008 7:23 AM, Roman Kyrylych wrote: > Packages produced from PKGBUILD with arch=('any') are _excactly_ same > when built on either i686 or x86_64 or even unofficial 'i586' and > 'ppc' (when built with makepkg >= 3.0). > (They can differ only by build timestamp) ONLY if they are architecture independent packages in the first place, so watch out here. That statement was a bit too general. -Dan From jan at jgc.homeip.net Wed Jan 23 09:57:59 2008 From: jan at jgc.homeip.net (Jan de Groot) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:57:59 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Does pacman support "noarch" now? In-Reply-To: <449c10960801230620u140c4df9kbe3a03018298ad60@mail.gmail.com> References: <1201065455.8611.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200801231746.28820.markc@renta.net> <577f15290801230146q7a1ae9afx44e3b891dadc930b@mail.gmail.com> <200801232253.26417.markc@renta.net> <577f15290801230523q208a8a2wa6233b65b749441f@mail.gmail.com> <449c10960801230620u140c4df9kbe3a03018298ad60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001e01c85dd0$58c5fc10$0a51f430$@homeip.net> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: arch-general-bounces at archlinux.org [mailto:arch-general- > bounces at archlinux.org] Namens Dan McGee > Verzonden: woensdag 23 januari 2008 15:20 > Aan: General Discusson about Arch Linux > Onderwerp: Re: [arch-general] Does pacman support "noarch" now? > > On Jan 23, 2008 7:23 AM, Roman Kyrylych > wrote: > > Packages produced from PKGBUILD with arch=('any') are _excactly_ same > > when built on either i686 or x86_64 or even unofficial 'i586' and > > 'ppc' (when built with makepkg >= 3.0). > > (They can differ only by build timestamp) > > ONLY if they are architecture independent packages in the first place, > so watch out here. That statement was a bit too general. > > -Dan This includes java applications like eclipse-ecj, bcprov, azureus, etc. It excludes java programs with native interfaces like swt and eclipse though. From markc at renta.net Wed Jan 23 10:34:24 2008 From: markc at renta.net (Mark Constable) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:34:24 +1000 Subject: [arch-general] Does pacman support "noarch" now? In-Reply-To: <577f15290801230523q208a8a2wa6233b65b749441f@mail.gmail.com> References: <1201065455.8611.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200801232253.26417.markc@renta.net> <577f15290801230523q208a8a2wa6233b65b749441f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801240134.24941.markc@renta.net> On 23 Jan 2008 23:23, Roman Kyrylych wrote: > Things that work now: > * makepkg support to understand arch=('any') and build a package correctly > * repo-add/repo-remove work too, so you can create a db with them and > test how pacman installs those packages. > * pacman should pring 'Architecture: any' on -Si/-Qi > Note that repo-add/repo-remove and pacman didn't require a single > change to support '-any' packages, that's because they don't care > about packages' architecture. Right, so they are arch agnostic, cool. > Packages produced from PKGBUILD with arch=('any') are _excactly_ same > when built on either i686 or x86_64 or even unofficial 'i586' and > 'ppc' (when built with makepkg >= 3.0). > (They can differ only by build timestamp) > > Right now, '-any' packages cannot be used in AUR and official repos yet. > You may use them for your own local repo for arch-independent packages > if you have both i686 and x86_64 installed. Why the requirement for both "i686 and x86_64 installed" ? > Be sure to add '-any' to both i686 and x86_64 localrepo.db.tar.gz > files when updating your repo db. I know this is not the right way to do it but it's a first attempt to get a feel for how to do it properly... I have built an -any package and uploaded it into it's own area with it's own [repo] stanza and successfully added that same package to both an i686 and x86_64 system. I could not do this pre v3 pacman with i868 or x86_64 in the filename. What I am unsure of is, in this example, how to add the -any package to both 32bit and 64bit *.db.tar.gz files so that the -any package, in a different area, can still be downloaded... ie; will relative paths work ? I've added this to my /etc/pacman.conf, uncommenting the appropriate arch on either machine... [proaudio-any] Server = http://pkg.markconstable.com/proaudio/any #[proaudio-i32] #Server = http://pkg.markconstable.com/proaudio/i32 #[proaudio-i64] #Server = http://pkg.markconstable.com/proaudio/i64 -------------------------------------------------------------- # pacman -S fluidr3 resolving dependencies... looking for inter-conflicts... Targets: fluidr3-122501-2 [125.73 MB] Total Download Size: 125.73 MB Total Installed Size: 141.53 MB Proceed with installation? [Y/n] :: Retrieving packages from proaudio-any... fluidr3-122501-2-any 125.7M 89.2K/s 00:24:03 [...] 100% checking package integrity... (1/1) checking for file conflicts [...] 100% (1/1) upgrading fluidr3 [...] 100% >>> >>> Add this line in your /etc/timidity++/timidity.cfg >>> file to enable this soundfont : >>> >>> soundfont /usr/share/soundfonts/fluidr3/FluidR3GM.SF2 >>> --markc From dpmcgee at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 11:00:57 2008 From: dpmcgee at gmail.com (Dan McGee) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:00:57 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] Does pacman support "noarch" now? In-Reply-To: <200801240134.24941.markc@renta.net> References: <1201065455.8611.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200801232253.26417.markc@renta.net> <577f15290801230523q208a8a2wa6233b65b749441f@mail.gmail.com> <200801240134.24941.markc@renta.net> Message-ID: <449c10960801230800h452690a6tf66e40ab1db70417@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 23, 2008 9:34 AM, Mark Constable wrote: > I know this is not the right way to do it but it's a first > attempt to get a feel for how to do it properly... I have > built an -any package and uploaded it into it's own area > with it's own [repo] stanza and successfully added that > same package to both an i686 and x86_64 system. I could not > do this pre v3 pacman with i868 or x86_64 in the filename. > > What I am unsure of is, in this example, how to add the > -any package to both 32bit and 64bit *.db.tar.gz files so > that the -any package, in a different area, can still be > downloaded... ie; will relative paths work ? I'm not sure, to be honest. I doubt it, as relative paths would lock people into having the same repository layout if it is mirrored. Your best bet is probably to set up some symlinks/hardlinks to the appropriate places, which should do the job. -Dan From Kevin at RawFedDogs.net Wed Jan 23 11:02:53 2008 From: Kevin at RawFedDogs.net (Kevin Monceaux) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:02:53 -0600 (CST) Subject: [arch-general] Repo Filename Search? Message-ID: Arch Enthusiasts, Does Arch Linux have a utility to search for packages that provide a particular file? I came across qfile via the wiki and tried it but can't seem to get it to work. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! From dpmcgee at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 11:14:11 2008 From: dpmcgee at gmail.com (Dan McGee) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:14:11 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] Repo Filename Search? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <449c10960801230814o5577a9a0t7a7b3e8f678fe73c@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 23, 2008 10:02 AM, Kevin Monceaux wrote: > Arch Enthusiasts, > > Does Arch Linux have a utility to search for packages that provide a > particular file? I came across qfile via the wiki and tried it but can't > seem to get it to work. site:archlinux.org/packages/files/ bin/sh is a rather crude way. -Dan From roman.kyrylych at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 11:24:17 2008 From: roman.kyrylych at gmail.com (Roman Kyrylych) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:24:17 +0200 Subject: [arch-general] Does pacman support "noarch" now? In-Reply-To: <200801240134.24941.markc@renta.net> References: <1201065455.8611.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200801232253.26417.markc@renta.net> <577f15290801230523q208a8a2wa6233b65b749441f@mail.gmail.com> <200801240134.24941.markc@renta.net> Message-ID: <577f15290801230824k2b420514yef0c5cb81df8e53e@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/23, Mark Constable : > On 23 Jan 2008 23:23, Roman Kyrylych wrote: > > Things that work now: > > * makepkg support to understand arch=('any') and build a package correctly > > * repo-add/repo-remove work too, so you can create a db with them and > > test how pacman installs those packages. > > * pacman should pring 'Architecture: any' on -Si/-Qi > > Note that repo-add/repo-remove and pacman didn't require a single > > change to support '-any' packages, that's because they don't care > > about packages' architecture. > > Right, so they are arch agnostic, cool. > > > Packages produced from PKGBUILD with arch=('any') are _excactly_ same > > when built on either i686 or x86_64 or even unofficial 'i586' and > > 'ppc' (when built with makepkg >= 3.0). > > (They can differ only by build timestamp) > > > > Right now, '-any' packages cannot be used in AUR and official repos yet. > > You may use them for your own local repo for arch-independent packages > > if you have both i686 and x86_64 installed. > > Why the requirement for both "i686 and x86_64 installed" ? It's not a requirement, of course. IMO that just don't make much difference to change arch=() in every arch-indepent package you build from AUR if you use only one arch. > > > Be sure to add '-any' to both i686 and x86_64 localrepo.db.tar.gz > > files when updating your repo db. > > I know this is not the right way to do it but it's a first > attempt to get a feel for how to do it properly... I have > built an -any package and uploaded it into it's own area > with it's own [repo] stanza and successfully added that > same package to both an i686 and x86_64 system. I could not > do this pre v3 pacman with i868 or x86_64 in the filename. > > What I am unsure of is, in this example, how to add the > -any package to both 32bit and 64bit *.db.tar.gz files so > that the -any package, in a different area, can still be > downloaded... ie; will relative paths work ? Symlinks (or maybe hardlinks) Example: /mylocalrepo/any/foobar-1.0-1-any.pkg.tar.gz <- the real file /mylocalrepo/i686/foobar-1.0-1-any.pkg.tar.gz -> ../any/foobar-1.0-1-any.pkg.tar.gz /mylocalrepo/x86_64/foobar-1.0-1-any.pkg.tar.gz -> ../any/foobar-1.0-1-any.pkg.tar.gz Then you just do 'repo-add mylocalrepo.db.tar.gz *' in i686 and x86_64 trees. > > I've added this to my /etc/pacman.conf, uncommenting the > appropriate arch on either machine... > > [proaudio-any] > Server = http://pkg.markconstable.com/proaudio/any > > #[proaudio-i32] > #Server = http://pkg.markconstable.com/proaudio/i32 > > #[proaudio-i64] > #Server = http://pkg.markconstable.com/proaudio/i64 This looks a bit ugly on users side and doubles the number of repositories. Besides, Pacman keeps track of groups only in one repo, so when you do pacman -Sg gnome-extra you'll get one list of packages in extra and then another list of packages in extra-any (e.g. gnome-audio) Moreover, if you have testing repo at the end and want to test some new package - you do -S testing/pkgname but now with *-any repos you'll have to remember if that package arch-dependent or not. To summarize - while it seems easier on server side - it just brings more problems and no benefit on users side. -- Roman Kyrylych (????? ???????) From roman.kyrylych at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 11:26:21 2008 From: roman.kyrylych at gmail.com (Roman Kyrylych) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:26:21 +0200 Subject: [arch-general] Does pacman support "noarch" now? In-Reply-To: <449c10960801230620u140c4df9kbe3a03018298ad60@mail.gmail.com> References: <1201065455.8611.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200801231746.28820.markc@renta.net> <577f15290801230146q7a1ae9afx44e3b891dadc930b@mail.gmail.com> <200801232253.26417.markc@renta.net> <577f15290801230523q208a8a2wa6233b65b749441f@mail.gmail.com> <449c10960801230620u140c4df9kbe3a03018298ad60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <577f15290801230826u6cd06324jf7f649796c712e60@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/23, Dan McGee : > On Jan 23, 2008 7:23 AM, Roman Kyrylych wrote: > > Packages produced from PKGBUILD with arch=('any') are _excactly_ same > > when built on either i686 or x86_64 or even unofficial 'i586' and > > 'ppc' (when built with makepkg >= 3.0). > > (They can differ only by build timestamp) > > ONLY if they are architecture independent packages in the first place, > so watch out here. That statement was a bit too general. > Thanks for making this bold, as my words indeed were not very well said. -- Roman Kyrylych (????? ???????) From markc at renta.net Wed Jan 23 11:56:28 2008 From: markc at renta.net (Mark Constable) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:56:28 +1000 Subject: [arch-general] Does pacman support "noarch" now? In-Reply-To: <577f15290801230824k2b420514yef0c5cb81df8e53e@mail.gmail.com> References: <1201065455.8611.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200801240134.24941.markc@renta.net> <577f15290801230824k2b420514yef0c5cb81df8e53e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801240256.29329.markc@renta.net> On 24 Jan 2008 02:24, Roman Kyrylych wrote: > > [proaudio-any] > > Server = http://pkg.markconstable.com/proaudio/any > > > > #[proaudio-i32] > > #Server = http://pkg.markconstable.com/proaudio/i32 > > > > #[proaudio-i64] > > #Server = http://pkg.markconstable.com/proaudio/i64 > > This looks a bit ugly on users side and doubles the number of repositories. > ... > To summarize - while it seems easier on server side - it just brings > more problems and no benefit on users side. Okay, the user side wins so I will go with using symlinks. Roman, thank you very much for your guidance, much appreciated. --markc From vla at uni-bonn.de Wed Jan 23 12:07:45 2008 From: vla at uni-bonn.de (vlad) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:07:45 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Repo Filename Search? In-Reply-To: <449c10960801230814o5577a9a0t7a7b3e8f678fe73c@mail.gmail.com> References: <449c10960801230814o5577a9a0t7a7b3e8f678fe73c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080123170745.GA22267@minerva> Hi Dan, great idea searching files through google! i've made a searchplugin for ff doing this. vlad On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 10:14:11AM -0600, Dan McGee wrote: > On Jan 23, 2008 10:02 AM, Kevin Monceaux wrote: > > Arch Enthusiasts, > > > > Does Arch Linux have a utility to search for packages that provide a > > particular file? I came across qfile via the wiki and tried it but can't > > seem to get it to work. > > site:archlinux.org/packages/files/ bin/sh is a rather crude way. > > -Dan -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: arch-files.xml Type: lication/set-payment-initiation Size: 818 bytes Desc: not available URL: From grbzks at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 12:34:37 2008 From: grbzks at gmail.com (Grigorios Bouzakis) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:34:37 +0200 Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Updating 'man' In-Reply-To: References: <47972736.3090009@gmail.com> <449c10960801230859x5cccf8f1v63ad0192c1cb0d83@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080123173437.GA8296@dark> On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 11:19:19AM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote: > > LESSCHARSET > > But that only affects less, and not man pages. It's a fine line, but I > know at least a few people that don't use less as their MANPAGER Those people should. If color is the reason for using most, see http://nion.modprobe.de/blog/archives/572-less-colors-for-man-pages.html I have added that to the Wiki too: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Post_Installation_Tips#Getting_a_colored_manpage Less is much more powerful than most. Greg From aaronmgriffin at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 12:40:22 2008 From: aaronmgriffin at gmail.com (Aaron Griffin) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:40:22 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Updating 'man' In-Reply-To: <20080123173437.GA8296@dark> References: <47972736.3090009@gmail.com> <449c10960801230859x5cccf8f1v63ad0192c1cb0d83@mail.gmail.com> <20080123173437.GA8296@dark> Message-ID: On Jan 23, 2008 11:34 AM, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 11:19:19AM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote: > > > > LESSCHARSET > > > > But that only affects less, and not man pages. It's a fine line, but I > > know at least a few people that don't use less as their MANPAGER > > Those people should. If color is the reason for using most, see > http://nion.modprobe.de/blog/archives/572-less-colors-for-man-pages.html > I have added that to the Wiki too: > http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Post_Installation_Tips#Getting_a_colored_manpage > Less is much more powerful than most. Wow, this is new to me. I actually use(d) PAGER=less and MANPAGER=most, but this will change that From philippemiron at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 13:00:31 2008 From: philippemiron at gmail.com (Philippe Miron) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:00:31 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Updating 'man' In-Reply-To: <20080123173437.GA8296@dark> References: <47972736.3090009@gmail.com> <449c10960801230859x5cccf8f1v63ad0192c1cb0d83@mail.gmail.com> <20080123173437.GA8296@dark> Message-ID: I tought that: Less is more than more and most is more than less! What are the main advantages of using less? On Jan 23, 2008 6:34 PM, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 11:19:19AM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote: > > > > LESSCHARSET > > > > But that only affects less, and not man pages. It's a fine line, but I > > know at least a few people that don't use less as their MANPAGER > > Those people should. If color is the reason for using most, see > http://nion.modprobe.de/blog/archives/572-less-colors-for-man-pages.html > I have added that to the Wiki too: > http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Post_Installation_Tips#Getting_a_colored_manpage > Less is much more powerful than most. > > Greg > > -- Philippe From markc at renta.net Wed Jan 23 13:15:54 2008 From: markc at renta.net (Mark Constable) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:15:54 +1000 Subject: [arch-general] Updating 'man' In-Reply-To: References: <20080123173437.GA8296@dark> Message-ID: <200801240415.54276.markc@renta.net> On 24 Jan 2008 03:40, Aaron Griffin wrote: > > Those people should. If color is the reason for using most, see > > http://nion.modprobe.de/blog/archives/572-less-colors-for-man-pages.html > > Wow, this is new to me. I actually use(d) PAGER=less and > MANPAGER=most, but this will change that Yes, it's great, added to my .bashrc. One thing that has bugged me for ages, and now it's even more obvious, is the right setting (probably language/locale) to avoid this wherever there it's meant to be a single quote... ie; -> Its The has a nice blue background now. Any clues to force a single quote instead ? My $LANG is en_AU.UTF-8. --markc From aaronmgriffin at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 13:18:55 2008 From: aaronmgriffin at gmail.com (Aaron Griffin) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:18:55 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] Updating 'man' In-Reply-To: <200801240415.54276.markc@renta.net> References: <20080123173437.GA8296@dark> <200801240415.54276.markc@renta.net> Message-ID: On Jan 23, 2008 12:15 PM, Mark Constable wrote: > The has a nice blue background now. Any clues to force > a single quote instead ? My $LANG is en_AU.UTF-8. This requires changes to the man package. They are in the works. From maikbeckmann at gmx.de Wed Jan 23 13:24:53 2008 From: maikbeckmann at gmx.de (Maik Beckmann) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:24:53 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Updating 'man' In-Reply-To: <20080123173437.GA8296@dark> References: <20080123173437.GA8296@dark> Message-ID: <200801231924.53602.maikbeckmann@gmx.de> Am Mittwoch 23 Januar 2008 18:34:37 schrieb Grigorios Bouzakis: > If color is the reason for using most, see > http://nion.modprobe.de/blog/archives/572-less-colors-for-man-pages.html > I have added that to the Wiki too: > http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Post_Installation_Tips#Getting_a_colore >d_manpage Less is much more powerful than most. > > Greg Very nice! But for bigger man session konquerors man:foo feature is even nicer. -- Maik From grbzks at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 13:26:39 2008 From: grbzks at gmail.com (Grigorios Bouzakis) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:26:39 +0200 Subject: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Updating 'man' In-Reply-To: References: <47972736.3090009@gmail.com> <449c10960801230859x5cccf8f1v63ad0192c1cb0d83@mail.gmail.com> <20080123173437.GA8296@dark> Message-ID: <20080123182639.GB8296@dark> On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 07:00:31PM +0100, Philippe Miron wrote: > I tought that: > Less is more than more and most is more than less! > > What are the main advantages of using less? > For a "normal" user close to none other than installing an additional package, since less is the default pager for all respected linux distros i am familiar with. Advanced users who practice bash scripting might need the extra features when piping stuff etc. Also see the comments on these: http://debaday.debian.net/2007/04/20/most-an-alternative-and-powerful-pager-program/ http://debaday.livejournal.com/24084.html As the author of most states, "most supports multiple windows and can scroll left and right", but that is its only advantage in compare to less, excluding color. Last, take a look at the man pages of both apps. Greg From ravster3 at hotmail.com Wed Jan 23 19:27:20 2008 From: ravster3 at hotmail.com (Ravi Desai) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:27:20 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] Pacman-3.1.1-1 not reading 'provides' field Message-ID: <4797DB68.6020706@hotmail.com> Hey, I'm using pacman-3.1.1-1 from testing, and have installed kdemod-4.0. I'm not able to install lyx since lyx requires qt and asks for qtmod to be removed. However, 'pacman -Qi qtmod' has the following --- Provides : qt 4.3.3 --- How do I solve this problem? Is it a bug? Should I file a bug report? I looked at bugs.archlinux.org, but couldn't find anything similar. Thanks, Ravster From waldemarbautista at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 19:33:54 2008 From: waldemarbautista at gmail.com (Waldemar Bautista) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:33:54 +0800 Subject: [arch-general] Pacman-3.1.1-1 not reading 'provides' field In-Reply-To: <4797DB68.6020706@hotmail.com> References: <4797DB68.6020706@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <10ed0fc10801231633r53129e8ame0ee4c099f24a594@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 24, 2008 8:27 AM, Ravi Desai wrote: > How do I solve this problem? Change qt 4.3.3 to qt=4.3.3 according to the first change listed at http://projects.archlinux.org/git/gitweb.cgi?p=pacman.git;a=blob;f=NEWS;h=71f56f5becfc8c410154d7d31b4b3b1ccfc61415;hb=3b464dc89774ea83d4fe4c837b751d4ecc637e43 -- Waldemar Amado Bautista From markc at renta.net Wed Jan 23 22:39:57 2008 From: markc at renta.net (Mark Constable) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:39:57 +1000 Subject: [arch-general] Pacman-3.1.1-1 not reading 'provides' field In-Reply-To: <10ed0fc10801231633r53129e8ame0ee4c099f24a594@mail.gmail.com> References: <4797DB68.6020706@hotmail.com> <10ed0fc10801231633r53129e8ame0ee4c099f24a594@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200801241339.58388.markc@renta.net> On Thursday 24 January 2008 10:33:54 Waldemar Bautista wrote: > Change qt 4.3.3 to qt=4.3.3 according to the first change listed at > http://projects.archlinux.org/git/gitweb.cgi?p=pacman.git;a=blob;f=NEWS;h=71f56f5becfc8c410154d7d31b4b3b1ccfc61415;hb=3b464dc89774ea83d4fe4c837b751d4ecc637e43 Will qt>=4.3.3 work ? --markc From aaronmgriffin at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 22:46:16 2008 From: aaronmgriffin at gmail.com (Aaron Griffin) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:46:16 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] Pacman-3.1.1-1 not reading 'provides' field In-Reply-To: <200801241339.58388.markc@renta.net> References: <4797DB68.6020706@hotmail.com> <10ed0fc10801231633r53129e8ame0ee4c099f24a594@mail.gmail.com> <200801241339.58388.markc@renta.net> Message-ID: On Jan 23, 2008 9:39 PM, Mark Constable wrote: > On Thursday 24 January 2008 10:33:54 Waldemar Bautista wrote: > > Change qt 4.3.3 to qt=4.3.3 according to the first change listed at > > > http://projects.archlinux.org/git/gitweb.cgi?p=pacman.git;a=blob;f=NEWS;h=71f56f5becfc8c410154d7d31b4b3b1ccfc61415;hb=3b464dc89774ea83d4fe4c837b751d4ecc637e43 > > Will qt>=4.3.3 work ? This doesn't make sense. qtmod 4.3.3 doesn't provide version 9 or 17 or 4.5. It provides one version only. 4.3.3 From dpmcgee at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 22:52:08 2008 From: dpmcgee at gmail.com (Dan McGee) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:52:08 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] Pacman-3.1.1-1 not reading 'provides' field In-Reply-To: <200801241339.58388.markc@renta.net> References: <4797DB68.6020706@hotmail.com> <10ed0fc10801231633r53129e8ame0ee4c099f24a594@mail.gmail.com> <200801241339.58388.markc@renta.net> Message-ID: <449c10960801231952h4a76c477j9dbc21279af08676@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 23, 2008 9:39 PM, Mark Constable wrote: > On Thursday 24 January 2008 10:33:54 Waldemar Bautista wrote: > > Change qt 4.3.3 to qt=4.3.3 according to the first change listed at > > > http://projects.archlinux.org/git/gitweb.cgi?p=pacman.git;a=blob;f=NEWS;h=71f56f5becfc8c410154d7d31b4b3b1ccfc61415;hb=3b464dc89774ea83d4fe4c837b751d4ecc637e43 > > Will qt>=4.3.3 work ? NO. Never. It makes zero sense. http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/9171#comment23579 From markc at renta.net Thu Jan 24 06:58:05 2008 From: markc at renta.net (Mark Constable) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:58:05 +1000 Subject: [arch-general] makepkg not stripping bin/libs Message-ID: <200801242158.05375.markc@renta.net> makegpkg 3.1.1 line ~752 has this... find {,usr/{,local/},opt/}{bin,lib,sbin} -type f and I can't see how that will ever work, and it doesn't for me, however this does work (for me)... find -regex ".+/bin/.+" -o -regex ".+/lib/.+" -o -regex ".+/sbin/.+" -type f I recently rebuilt kdemod4 and it ended up being 1.9Gb whereas it should have been around >400Mb. --markc From darose at darose.net Thu Jan 24 17:17:26 2008 From: darose at darose.net (David Rosenstrauch) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:17:26 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] Repo Filename Search? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47990E76.8070308@darose.net> Kevin Monceaux wrote: > Arch Enthusiasts, > > Does Arch Linux have a utility to search for packages that provide a > particular file? I came across qfile via the wiki and tried it but > can't seem to get it to work. > > > Kevin If you're trying to search through your *installed* packages to find out which package owns a particular file on disk, you can use: pacman -Qo /the/file/name HTH, DR From ondrej.kucera at centrum.cz Thu Jan 24 17:46:02 2008 From: ondrej.kucera at centrum.cz (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Ond=F8ej_Ku=E8era?=) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:46:02 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Java applets in Arch64 Message-ID: <20080124234602.71ad7608@hermione.hogwarts> Hello, I need to be able to use java applets on my Arch64 box. From what I found on the wiki (http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch64_FAQ) it should work out of the box in Konqueror but unfortunately it isn't the case for me. I tried the following two pages containing applets, neither seems to work. http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/deployment/applet/getStarted.html http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath/ I do have the java packages (both jre and jdk), I have java enabled in Konqueror, I'm not sure if I'm supposed to do something else. Truth to be told the best solution would be to have applets working in Firefox since since I need them working in an intranet web application that is not exactly 100% compatible with Konqueror, I'm afraid. Is there a working solution for Firefox? -- Cheers, Ond?ej From pyther at pyther.net Thu Jan 24 19:19:36 2008 From: pyther at pyther.net (pyther) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:19:36 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] Java applets in Arch64 In-Reply-To: <20080124234602.71ad7608@hermione.hogwarts> References: <20080124234602.71ad7608@hermione.hogwarts> Message-ID: <47992B18.7070205@pyther.net> Ond?ej Ku?era wrote: > Hello, > > I need to be able to use java applets on my Arch64 box. From what I > found on the wiki (http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch64_FAQ) it > should work out of the box in Konqueror but unfortunately it isn't the > case for me. > > I tried the following two pages containing applets, neither seems to > work. > http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/deployment/applet/getStarted.html > http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath/ > > I do have the java packages (both jre and jdk), I have java enabled in > Konqueror, I'm not sure if I'm supposed to do something else. > > Truth to be told the best solution would be to have applets working in > Firefox since since I need them working in an intranet web application > that is not exactly 100% compatible with Konqueror, I'm afraid. Is there > a working solution for Firefox? > > You might want to try bin32-swiftfox-athlon64 from aur. I got it running on my 64bit box with flash, works like a charm! You might have to extract the i686 java package into the /opt/lib32 folder though. From gerhard.brauer at web.de Fri Jan 25 08:01:10 2008 From: gerhard.brauer at web.de (Gerhard Brauer) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:01:10 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Mirror out of sync [tu.chemnitz.de] In-Reply-To: <577f15290801090442n5db1b4bfo31cc9fe6fbecdeb7@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080106130620.GA9831@tux1.brauer.lan> <577f15290801090442n5db1b4bfo31cc9fe6fbecdeb7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080125130110.GA7400@tux1.brauer.lan> Gruesse! * Roman Kyrylych schrieb am [09.01.08 13:42]: > 2008/1/6, Gerhard Brauer : > > Hello, > > > > One german mirror, tu.chemnitz.de, is not synced since 12.12.2007. > > > > Actually, since 14-Dec-2007 (date of extra.db.tar.gz). > Does anyone know how to contact the mirror admin? This mirror is another time out of date. core.db.tar.gz is from 14.01.2008. Could/Should we users "mailbombing" ftpmaster? If these problems with this german mirror are not fixable i would prefer to cancel this mirror. And i would prefer to change the default /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist to have *this* mirror not at the first position for Germany. Hosteurope is good (ok, at the moment no connect) and archlinuxppc AFAIK also. # - Germany Server = ftp://ftp.hosteurope.de/mirror/ftp.archlinux.org/$repo/os/i686 Server = ftp://ftp.archlinuxppc.org/i686/$repo/os/i686 Server = ftp://ftp.hosteurope.de/mirror/ftp.archlinux.org/$repo/os/i686 Gerhard -- Kuenstliche Intelligenz ist der Feind der natuerlichen Dummheit. From Kevin at RawFedDogs.net Fri Jan 25 10:01:28 2008 From: Kevin at RawFedDogs.net (Kevin Monceaux) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:01:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: [arch-general] Repo Filename Search? In-Reply-To: <47990E76.8070308@darose.net> References: <47990E76.8070308@darose.net> Message-ID: DR, On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, David Rosenstrauch wrote: > If you're trying to search through your *installed* packages to find out > which package owns a particular file on disk, you can use: > > pacman -Qo /the/file/name No, I was trying to search for packages that hadn't been installed yet that provided particular files. One program I was looking for, for example, was pdflatex. I'm currently running CRUX but considering switching to Arch. I'm running Arch under VMware right now. On CRUX, one can: # prt-get fsearch pdflatex and it will list all packages that include pdflatex. That's one bit of functionality I'd miss if I switch from CRUX to Arch. So far on Arch I've found pdflatex in extra/tetex and aur/community/texlive-bin, after some trial and error. The google site:www.archlinux.org/packages/files search trick posted earlier should have at least found pdflatex in the tetex package's file list but didn't. Are there no file lists for the packages in AUR? Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! From eliott at cactuswax.net Fri Jan 25 11:56:38 2008 From: eliott at cactuswax.net (eliott) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:56:38 -0800 Subject: [arch-general] Mirror out of sync [tu.chemnitz.de] In-Reply-To: <20080125130110.GA7400@tux1.brauer.lan> References: <20080106130620.GA9831@tux1.brauer.lan> <577f15290801090442n5db1b4bfo31cc9fe6fbecdeb7@mail.gmail.com> <20080125130110.GA7400@tux1.brauer.lan> Message-ID: <428d921d0801250856sdc28b06re00af59c2691bee9@mail.gmail.com> > This mirror is another time out of date. > core.db.tar.gz is from 14.01.2008. > > Could/Should we users "mailbombing" ftpmaster? > If these problems with this german mirror are not fixable i would prefer > to cancel this mirror. > And i would prefer to change the default /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist to > have *this* mirror not at the first position for Germany. > Hosteurope is good (ok, at the moment no connect) and archlinuxppc AFAIK > also. > # - Germany > Server = ftp://ftp.hosteurope.de/mirror/ftp.archlinux.org/$repo/os/i686 > Server = ftp://ftp.archlinuxppc.org/i686/$repo/os/i686 > Server = ftp://ftp.hosteurope.de/mirror/ftp.archlinux.org/$repo/os/i686 > There have been problems with this mirror before. Perhaps it would be best to remove it indeed. Please file a ticket on the bugtracker, so we can address the issue. (ps. For reference: Bug tickets are the proper place for potential action items, but it is indeed a good idea to sometimes send out an email to the ML seeking clarification and such things first, as Gerhard has done here.) From skynare at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 15:54:32 2008 From: skynare at gmail.com (sam lee) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 15:54:32 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] ghc x86_64 missing OpenGL? Message-ID: <4e7aa0f80801251254p6142a29x7bebcb7810c4ed02@mail.gmail.com> Hi. >From the web page of ghc package, http://archlinux.org/packages/search/?q=ghc, it does include OpenGL bindings. However, on x86_64, ghc has different maintainer and it seems to use different PKGBUILD. Is this intentional? Any plans for including all of extralibs (which includes OpenGL bindings) into ghc package for x86_64 ? Or, make ghc-extralibs as a separate package? Thank you. Sam Lee. From belanger at ASTRO.UMontreal.CA Fri Jan 25 16:37:04 2008 From: belanger at ASTRO.UMontreal.CA (Eric Belanger) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:37:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [arch-general] ghc x86_64 missing OpenGL? In-Reply-To: <4e7aa0f80801251254p6142a29x7bebcb7810c4ed02@mail.gmail.com> References: <4e7aa0f80801251254p6142a29x7bebcb7810c4ed02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, sam lee wrote: > Hi. > >> From the web page of ghc package, http://archlinux.org/packages/search/?q=ghc, > it does include OpenGL bindings. > > However, on x86_64, ghc has different maintainer and it seems to use > different PKGBUILD. > Is this intentional? > Any plans for including all of extralibs (which includes OpenGL > bindings) into ghc package for x86_64 ? > Or, make ghc-extralibs as a separate package? > > Thank you. > Sam Lee. > > I believe I'm the one who built the latest ghc package for x86_64. As both arches use the same PKGBUILD, the x86_64 package should include the OpenGL bindings if they are in the i686 package. I'll look into it. Maybe an error occured when I built the package. Eric -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From queueram at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 17:31:57 2008 From: queueram at gmail.com (Mark Schneider) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:31:57 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] Java applets in Arch64 In-Reply-To: <20080124234602.71ad7608@hermione.hogwarts> References: <20080124234602.71ad7608@hermione.hogwarts> Message-ID: 2008/1/24 Ond?ej Ku?era : > Hello, > > I need to be able to use java applets on my Arch64 box. From what I > found on the wiki (http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch64_FAQ) it > should work out of the box in Konqueror but unfortunately it isn't the > case for me. > > I tried the following two pages containing applets, neither seems to > work. > http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/deployment/applet/getStarted.html > http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath/ > > I do have the java packages (both jre and jdk), I have java enabled in > Konqueror, I'm not sure if I'm supposed to do something else. > > Truth to be told the best solution would be to have applets working in > Firefox since since I need them working in an intranet web application > that is not exactly 100% compatible with Konqueror, I'm afraid. Is there > a working solution for Firefox? > > -- > Cheers, > Ond?ej > The only way I've found to get a Java web browser plugin to work on Arch64 is to use Blackdown JRE from AUR: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?do_Details=1&ID=6085 Unfortunately it only supports 1.4.2, so if you need some fancy >=1.5 features, you might be out of luck. Hope this helps, Mark From skynare at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 17:39:49 2008 From: skynare at gmail.com (skynare at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:39:49 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] ghc x86_64 missing OpenGL? In-Reply-To: References: <4e7aa0f80801251254p6142a29x7bebcb7810c4ed02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4e7aa0f80801251439l23df211aq1b09ace94f36b536@mail.gmail.com> Yup. Probably something happened. I just built the package myself using PKBGUILD from cvs and it does include OpenGL. It does take some time to build though. Thank you for providing ghc for 64bit arch! Sam On 1/25/08, Eric Belanger wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jan 2008, sam lee wrote: > > > Hi. > > > >> From the web page of ghc package, > http://archlinux.org/packages/search/?q=ghc, > > it does include OpenGL bindings. > > > > However, on x86_64, ghc has different maintainer and it seems to use > > different PKGBUILD. > > Is this intentional? > > Any plans for including all of extralibs (which includes OpenGL > > bindings) into ghc package for x86_64 ? > > Or, make ghc-extralibs as a separate package? > > > > Thank you. > > Sam Lee. > > > > > > I believe I'm the one who built the latest ghc package for x86_64. As > both arches use the same PKGBUILD, the x86_64 package should include the > OpenGL bindings if they are in the i686 package. I'll look into it. Maybe > an error occured when I built the package. > > Eric > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > From mail at hehejo.de Fri Jan 25 17:48:26 2008 From: mail at hehejo.de (Johannes Held) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:48:26 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Java applets in Arch64 In-Reply-To: References: <20080124234602.71ad7608@hermione.hogwarts> Message-ID: <479A673A.4090007@hehejo.de> I have a chroot with a complete separated arch32 running. Everytime I start firefox - I start it via dchroot -d firefox and then I have flash, java & much more like acrobatplugin. AND I don't clash 32bitty things into my arch64. When these things are fixed - simply rm -rf /opt/arch32! Unfortunately I don't find the wikientry for setting up an arch32-chroot anymore. But it was fairly easy! -- Gru?, Johannes T?glich http://blog.hehejo.de und du f?hlst dich gut. http://cryptocd.eduforge.org/online_version From a.radke at arcor.de Sat Jan 26 04:38:35 2008 From: a.radke at arcor.de (Andreas Radke) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:38:35 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Java applets in Arch64 In-Reply-To: <20080124234602.71ad7608@hermione.hogwarts> References: <20080124234602.71ad7608@hermione.hogwarts> Message-ID: <20080126103835.047c1882@workstation64.home> Am Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:46:02 +0100 schrieb Ond?ej Ku?era : > Hello, > > I need to be able to use java applets on my Arch64 box. From what I > found on the wiki (http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch64_FAQ) it > should work out of the box in Konqueror but unfortunately it isn't the > case for me. > > I tried the following two pages containing applets, neither seems to > work. > http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/deployment/applet/getStarted.html > http://www.gnu.org/software/classpath/ > > I do have the java packages (both jre and jdk), I have java enabled in > Konqueror, I'm not sure if I'm supposed to do something else. > > Truth to be told the best solution would be to have applets working in > Firefox since since I need them working in an intranet web application > that is not exactly 100% compatible with Konqueror, I'm afraid. Is > there a working solution for Firefox? > gcc-gcj provides a java environment and an alpha state plugin. the plugin already works in _some_ cases. java at all works quiet well. we use it to build and run OpenOffice.org, Azureus and some more packages. you can try if the plugin fits your needs by installing the java-gcj-compat package. -AndyRTR From neil at darlow.co.uk Sat Jan 26 04:57:53 2008 From: neil at darlow.co.uk (Neil Darlow) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:57:53 +0000 Subject: [arch-general] Who is confused, pacman or me? Message-ID: <479B0421.10502@darlow.co.uk> Hi, I did a pacman -Syu this morning and it warned me that: local etracer-0.35-6 is newer than etracer-0.4-1 I'm not sure how that came about. Is this a pacman or pkgbuild problem? My system is i686. Regards, Neil Darlow From t.powa at gmx.de Sat Jan 26 05:03:08 2008 From: t.powa at gmx.de (Tobias Powalowski) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:03:08 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Who is confused, pacman or me? In-Reply-To: <479B0421.10502@darlow.co.uk> References: <479B0421.10502@darlow.co.uk> Message-ID: <200801261103.11128.t.powa@gmx.de> Am Samstag, 26. Januar 2008 schrieb Neil Darlow: > Hi, > > I did a pacman -Syu this morning and it warned me that: > > local etracer-0.35-6 is newer than etracer-0.4-1 > > I'm not sure how that came about. Is this a pacman or pkgbuild problem? > > My system is i686. > > Regards, > Neil Darlow well: vercmp 1 2 -1 vercmp 0.3 0.4 -1 vercmp 0.35 0.4 1 the problem is the comparison the new version should be 0.40 instead of 0.4 greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa at archlinux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From shiningxc at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 05:02:36 2008 From: shiningxc at gmail.com (Xavier) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 11:02:36 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Who is confused, pacman or me? In-Reply-To: <479B0421.10502@darlow.co.uk> References: <479B0421.10502@darlow.co.uk> Message-ID: <479B053C.3000707@gmail.com> Neil Darlow wrote: > Hi, > > I did a pacman -Syu this morning and it warned me that: > > local etracer-0.35-6 is newer than etracer-0.4-1 > > I'm not sure how that came about. Is this a pacman or pkgbuild problem? > > My system is i686. > > Regards, > Neil Darlow > But, when you -Su, does it still want to install etracer 0.4 ? This versioning confuses pacman (and it isn't something that can be fixed), but we have the force options for these cases. And the force option was used for this package, as you can see there : http://cvs.archlinux.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/games/etracer/PKGBUILD?cvsroot=AUR&only_with_tag=CURRENT From neil at darlow.co.uk Sat Jan 26 13:19:22 2008 From: neil at darlow.co.uk (Neil Darlow) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:19:22 +0000 Subject: [arch-general] Who is confused, pacman or me? In-Reply-To: <479B053C.3000707@gmail.com> References: <479B0421.10502@darlow.co.uk> <479B053C.3000707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <479B79AA.4010003@darlow.co.uk> Hi, Xavier wrote: > But, when you -Su, does it still want to install etracer 0.4 ? It didn't want to update etracer. I had to manually update the package myself. > This versioning confuses pacman (and it isn't something that can be > fixed), but we have the force options for these cases. > And the force option was used for this package, as you can see there : > http://cvs.archlinux.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/games/etracer/PKGBUILD?cvsroot=AUR&only_with_tag=CURRENT No forced update was done. Just a warning that the local version was newer was issued. Regards, Neil Darlow From cimnine at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 17:56:19 2008 From: cimnine at gmail.com (CiM-9) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:56:19 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Appletouch/Synaptics on MacBook 3,1 Message-ID: <9fc1a8aa0801261456w74a40226k8acd247fcb25f670@mail.gmail.com> Hy there. I'm using since a few days Arch Linux on my MacBook 3.1. I'd like to use the advanced features of the Synaptics-XOrg-Driver, but I can't. Reason: appletouch identification changed from MacBook 3 to MacBook 3.1. The gentoo-wiki (http://gentoo-wiki.com/Macbook#Touchpad) provides a patch to fix this issue, but I just don't know how to apply this. I'd be realy glad about some help. Regards, Chris From vinayshastry at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 00:29:19 2008 From: vinayshastry at gmail.com (Vinay Shastry) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:59:19 +0530 Subject: [arch-general] Appletouch/Synaptics on MacBook 3,1 In-Reply-To: <9fc1a8aa0801261456w74a40226k8acd247fcb25f670@mail.gmail.com> References: <9fc1a8aa0801261456w74a40226k8acd247fcb25f670@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <868d32d20801262129j6a594588oda11179109727629@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 27, 2008 4:26 AM, CiM-9 wrote: > The gentoo-wiki (http://gentoo-wiki.com/Macbook#Touchpad) provides a > patch to fix this issue, but I just don't know how to apply this. > That Wiki Says: The appletouch driver of kernel <=2.6.24_rc8 doesn't recognize the 3rd Generation MacBook Touchpad. Why don't you try the 2.6.24 kernel from testing? -- Vinay S Shastry http://thenub.one09.net From cimnine at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 09:11:45 2008 From: cimnine at gmail.com (CiM-9) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:11:45 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Appletouch/Synaptics on MacBook 3,1 In-Reply-To: <868d32d20801262129j6a594588oda11179109727629@mail.gmail.com> References: <9fc1a8aa0801261456w74a40226k8acd247fcb25f670@mail.gmail.com> <868d32d20801262129j6a594588oda11179109727629@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9fc1a8aa0801270611i5398e0c8l50a2f64df030601d@mail.gmail.com> I'm using now Kernel 2.6.14 - and the synaptics still don't work as expected. I've attached some infos, maybe they're usefull to help me. I have no idea what to try next. The 2.6.14 Kernel I installed: Was this a released one or a rc? Because the new appletouch is only included in kernel >= 2.6.14-rc8. Regards Chris $ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep synaptics (II) LoadModule: "synaptics" (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//synaptics_drv.so (II) Module synaptics: vendor="X.Org Foundation" (II) LoadModule: "synaptics" (II) Reloading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/inpuy//synaptics_drv.so Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics event device found (checked 22 nodes) (EE) Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device (II) UnloadModule: "synaptics" $ uname -r 2.6.24-ARCH relevant parts out of xorg.conf: Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "MacBook 3.1" InputDevice "Mouse1" InputDevice "KeyBoard1" "CoreKeyboard" InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad" "CorePointer" Screen "Screen 1" EndSection [...] Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" Driver "synaptics" Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" Option "SHMConfig" "true" #some more options like AccelFactor, FastTaps, FingerLow,FingerHigh, etc EndSection $ lsusb | grep Apple Bus 004 Device 002: 05ac:8300 Apple, Inc. Built-in iSight (no firmware loaded) Bus 001 Device 003: 05ac:1000 Apple, Inc. Bluetooth HCI MacBookPro (HID mode) Bus 007 Device 003: ID 05ac:0229 Apple, Inc. Internal Keyboard/Trackpad (MaxBook Pro) (ANSI) Bus 007: Device 002: ID 05ac:8242 Apple, Inc. $ ls /dev/input/ by-path/ event0 event1 event10 event11 event2 event3 event4 event5 event6 event7 event8 event9 mice mouse0 mouse1 mouse2 Other USB-Devices are empty. Only Apple Devices connected. On 27/01/2008, Vinay Shastry wrote: > On Jan 27, 2008 4:26 AM, CiM-9 wrote: > > The gentoo-wiki (http://gentoo-wiki.com/Macbook#Touchpad) provides a > > patch to fix this issue, but I just don't know how to apply this. > > > > That Wiki Says: > The appletouch driver of kernel <=2.6.24_rc8 doesn't recognize the 3rd > Generation MacBook Touchpad. > > Why don't you try the 2.6.24 kernel from testing? > > -- > Vinay S Shastry > http://thenub.one09.net > > From cimnine at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 09:16:30 2008 From: cimnine at gmail.com (CiM-9) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 15:16:30 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Appletouch/Synaptics on MacBook 3,1 In-Reply-To: <9fc1a8aa0801270611i5398e0c8l50a2f64df030601d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9fc1a8aa0801261456w74a40226k8acd247fcb25f670@mail.gmail.com> <868d32d20801262129j6a594588oda11179109727629@mail.gmail.com> <9fc1a8aa0801270611i5398e0c8l50a2f64df030601d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9fc1a8aa0801270616l52af6eb9tac19a13886fba882@mail.gmail.com> I just saw I made a misstype: I use 2.6.24 from testing, not 2.6.14 as I said. Regards, Chris On 27/01/2008, CiM-9 wrote: > I'm using now Kernel 2.6.14 - and the synaptics still don't work as expected. > I've attached some infos, maybe they're usefull to help me. I have no > idea what to try next. > > The 2.6.14 Kernel I installed: Was this a released one or a rc? > Because the new appletouch is only included in kernel >= 2.6.14-rc8. > > Regards > Chris > > $ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep synaptics > (II) LoadModule: "synaptics" > (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//synaptics_drv.so > (II) Module synaptics: vendor="X.Org Foundation" > (II) LoadModule: "synaptics" > (II) Reloading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/inpuy//synaptics_drv.so > Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics event device found (checked 22 nodes) > (EE) Synaptics Touchpad no synaptics touchpad detected and no repeater device > (II) UnloadModule: "synaptics" > > $ uname -r > 2.6.24-ARCH > > relevant parts out of xorg.conf: > Section "ServerLayout" > Identifier "MacBook 3.1" > InputDevice "Mouse1" > InputDevice "KeyBoard1" "CoreKeyboard" > InputDevice "Synaptics Touchpad" "CorePointer" > Screen "Screen 1" > EndSection > [...] > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Synaptics Touchpad" > Driver "synaptics" > Option "SendCoreEvents" "true" > Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" > Option "Protocol" "auto-dev" > Option "SHMConfig" "true" > #some more options like AccelFactor, FastTaps, FingerLow,FingerHigh, etc > EndSection > > $ lsusb | grep Apple > Bus 004 Device 002: 05ac:8300 Apple, Inc. Built-in iSight (no firmware loaded) > Bus 001 Device 003: 05ac:1000 Apple, Inc. Bluetooth HCI MacBookPro (HID mode) > Bus 007 Device 003: ID 05ac:0229 Apple, Inc. Internal > Keyboard/Trackpad (MaxBook Pro) (ANSI) > Bus 007: Device 002: ID 05ac:8242 Apple, Inc. > > $ ls /dev/input/ > by-path/ event0 event1 event10 event11 event2 event3 event4 event5 > event6 event7 event8 event9 mice mouse0 mouse1 mouse2 > > Other USB-Devices are empty. Only Apple Devices connected. > > On 27/01/2008, Vinay Shastry wrote: > > On Jan 27, 2008 4:26 AM, CiM-9 wrote: > > > The gentoo-wiki (http://gentoo-wiki.com/Macbook#Touchpad) provides a > > > patch to fix this issue, but I just don't know how to apply this. > > > > > > > That Wiki Says: > > The appletouch driver of kernel <=2.6.24_rc8 doesn't recognize the 3rd > > Generation MacBook Touchpad. > > > > Why don't you try the 2.6.24 kernel from testing? > > > > -- > > Vinay S Shastry > > http://thenub.one09.net > > > > > From gerhard.brauer at web.de Sun Jan 27 17:06:52 2008 From: gerhard.brauer at web.de (Gerhard Brauer) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:06:52 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Searching reference server for mirror checking Message-ID: <20080127220652.GD7426@tux1.brauer.lan> Hello, i'm working on a script to check the sync status of the mirrors. Actually i use ftp.archlinux.org as a reference but Pierre Schmitz point to me that this is also only a mirror which must not be in sync. So is there a server (ftp or http) from where i could get the mtime, size and the repository db file as a reference? Pierre told me that he could run this script on his server, but for testing and bugfixing ;-) i need a reliable source. At the moment it seems i got too many false positives... Gerhard -- Never use a running system... From eliott at cactuswax.net Sun Jan 27 17:22:18 2008 From: eliott at cactuswax.net (eliott) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:22:18 -0800 Subject: [arch-general] Searching reference server for mirror checking In-Reply-To: <20080127220652.GD7426@tux1.brauer.lan> References: <20080127220652.GD7426@tux1.brauer.lan> Message-ID: <428d921d0801271422h2bfe1bf6v3774b2f97527e2fd@mail.gmail.com> On 1/27/08, Gerhard Brauer wrote: > Hello, > > i'm working on a script to check the sync status of the mirrors. > Actually i use ftp.archlinux.org as a reference but Pierre Schmitz point > to me that this is also only a mirror which must not be in sync. > > So is there a server (ftp or http) from where i could get the mtime, > size and the repository db file as a reference? > Pierre told me that he could run this script on his server, but for > testing and bugfixing ;-) i need a reliable source. At the moment it > seems i got too many false positives... no. there is not a publicly accessible location of the repo db file other than mirror servers. ftp.archlinux.org is the best candidate. the two servers (round robin dns for ftp.archlinux.org) synchronize approximately every hour. From gerhard.brauer at web.de Sun Jan 27 17:36:33 2008 From: gerhard.brauer at web.de (Gerhard Brauer) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:36:33 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Searching reference server for mirror checking In-Reply-To: <428d921d0801271422h2bfe1bf6v3774b2f97527e2fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080127220652.GD7426@tux1.brauer.lan> <428d921d0801271422h2bfe1bf6v3774b2f97527e2fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080127223633.GE7426@tux1.brauer.lan> Gruesse! * eliott schrieb am [27.01.08 23:22]: > On 1/27/08, Gerhard Brauer wrote: > > > > So is there a server (ftp or http) from where i could get the mtime, > > size and the repository db file as a reference? > > no. there is not a publicly accessible location of the repo db file > other than mirror servers. > ftp.archlinux.org is the best candidate. the two servers (round robin > dns for ftp.archlinux.org) synchronize approximately every hour. Thank you. Then i must see if there are realy so many mirrors out of sync or if i have beasty little things in my script ;-) Maybe something with the UTC times on the mirrors... Gerhard -- Ich bin nicht die Signatur, ich putz' hier nur! From eliott at cactuswax.net Mon Jan 28 01:41:33 2008 From: eliott at cactuswax.net (eliott) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:41:33 -0800 Subject: [arch-general] Searching reference server for mirror checking In-Reply-To: <20080127223633.GE7426@tux1.brauer.lan> References: <20080127220652.GD7426@tux1.brauer.lan> <428d921d0801271422h2bfe1bf6v3774b2f97527e2fd@mail.gmail.com> <20080127223633.GE7426@tux1.brauer.lan> Message-ID: <428d921d0801272241x4e078e92tf410acb55d5fe8b7@mail.gmail.com> On 1/27/08, Gerhard Brauer wrote: > Gruesse! > * eliott schrieb am [27.01.08 23:22]: > > On 1/27/08, Gerhard Brauer wrote: > > > > > > So is there a server (ftp or http) from where i could get the mtime, > > > size and the repository db file as a reference? > > > > no. there is not a publicly accessible location of the repo db file > > other than mirror servers. > > ftp.archlinux.org is the best candidate. the two servers (round robin > > dns for ftp.archlinux.org) synchronize approximately every hour. > > Thank you. Then i must see if there are realy so many mirrors out of > sync or if i have beasty little things in my script ;-) > Maybe something with the UTC times on the mirrors... could be. When viewing with command line ftp i get.. ftp> modtime core.db.tar.gz core.db.tar.gz 01/27/2008 22:03:55 GMT apache shows me the following when viewing in firefox File: core.db.tar.gz 24 KB 27/01/08 10:03:00 PM So while the ftp says "GMT", it is really PST, as the times are very close, and it is clearly within the 10PM house where I am (PST timezone). Not sure why the time is being reported as GMT in ftp. From karolina.lindqvist at kramnet.se Mon Jan 28 02:21:43 2008 From: karolina.lindqvist at kramnet.se (Karolina Lindqvist) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:21:43 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Strange stuff in kernel26-2.6.24-2 Message-ID: <200801280821.43778.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> There is some strange stuff going on in the newest kernel. i.e. it did not work, so I had to go back to the previous one. First it booted, but then console escape characters (colour) did not work, and sound with snd_via82xx did not either. Then when I rebooted, it crashes every time in the udev/usb code. I have AMD i686 with VIA chipset. I see that it is in testing, so maybe it should remain there. From shiningxc at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 07:59:54 2008 From: shiningxc at gmail.com (Xavier) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:59:54 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Strange stuff in kernel26-2.6.24-2 In-Reply-To: <200801280821.43778.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> References: <200801280821.43778.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> Message-ID: <91752840801280459s367add19tdc1187162f933eac@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 28, 2008 8:21 AM, Karolina Lindqvist wrote: > Then when I rebooted, it crashes every time in the udev/usb code. > I have AMD i686 with VIA chipset. It usually crashes here too when I shutdown or reboot it after using it for a while. It might also be in the udev/usb code but I am not even sure. I have a hp nx7400 laptop (core duo, intel chipset). If I do a fresh boot, and shutdown immediatly after, it works fine though. I am afraid I don't have enough informations for reporting a bug correctly. It isn't easy to get the log of the kernel crash, is it? Anyway, since it only crashes on shutdown, it isn't a problem for me. From adam.stokes at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 09:20:03 2008 From: adam.stokes at gmail.com (adam) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:20:03 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] out-of-date python-cheetah, python-formencode Message-ID: python-formencode-0.9 is in AUR as it was needed in order to build a package depending on it. The old version still exists in supported branch but would like to have it replaced/upgraded with my PKGBUILD. python-cheetah is one release old as the package was placed a month prior to the next release. These packages haven't be updated in awhile I do not believe Thanks From gerhard.brauer at web.de Mon Jan 28 10:52:39 2008 From: gerhard.brauer at web.de (Gerhard Brauer) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:52:39 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Searching reference server for mirror checking In-Reply-To: <428d921d0801272241x4e078e92tf410acb55d5fe8b7@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080127220652.GD7426@tux1.brauer.lan> <428d921d0801271422h2bfe1bf6v3774b2f97527e2fd@mail.gmail.com> <20080127223633.GE7426@tux1.brauer.lan> <428d921d0801272241x4e078e92tf410acb55d5fe8b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080128155239.GA7384@tux1.brauer.lan> Hello! Ok, i'am 99% ready with the script (mostly output and "internally cleaning"). I put the output as txt attachement in this mail. Short: Overall Status -------------------------------------- Mirrors tested..................... : 49 Mirrors with connection problems... : 2 Mirror with data collection problems: 5 Mirrors OUT of sync................ : 25 Legend for txt file: size means *.db.tar.gz size reported by either FTP or HTTP mirror mtime also taken from protocols, converted to UTC if needed md5sum after doenlaod db file. Some mirrors seams to have the correct file size, but mtime and/or md5sum differs. I've checked some of them and there seams to bee slightly corrupted files on there. Next i will version pumping on the script (it's a ruby script) from now 0.1 to 1.0 ;-) and then we could see if this is something usefull for us. Gerhard -- Ein Registry-Cleaner ist fuer Win-User der Bulldozer des kleinen Mannes. -------------- next part -------------- Mirror check on: Mon Jan 28 16:01:42 +0100 2008 Mon Jan 28 15:01:42 UTC 2008 Connecting to main server... Connecting ftp.archlinux.org (FTP)... OK References: -------------------------------------------- community-x86_64 : 342274 Mon Jan 28 10:01:02 UTC 2008 0e9985317bf30dc4269ba036c669f169 extra-i686 : 318137 Mon Jan 28 06:30:32 UTC 2008 d4ed2eff69461c639a0e25849ba365e0 core-x86_64 : 23699 Mon Jan 28 10:35:37 UTC 2008 c672afac0f9fd193f54deb7d04280084 extra-x86_64 : 310961 Mon Jan 28 06:32:16 UTC 2008 51f93864b8f139825c0f7684f7d30374 core-i686 : 23686 Mon Jan 28 10:35:07 UTC 2008 97377a75342afae58bdbafb94b6781d7 community-i686 : 347717 Mon Jan 28 08:01:00 UTC 2008 bbee172a7111e991183f6546ffa45409 Going on with the mirrors... Connecting ftp.archlinux.org (FTP)... OK Connecting ftp.nethat.com (FTP)... NOK Connecting locke.suu.edu (FTP)... OK Connecting mirrors.unixheads.org (FTP)... OK Connecting ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu (FTP)... OK Connecting mirror.cs.vt.edu (FTP)... OK Connecting mirrors.easynews.com (HTTP)... OK Connecting ftp.ibiblio.org (FTP)... OK Connecting holmes.umflint.edu (HTTP)... OK Connecting archlinux.c3sl.ufpr.br (HTTP)... OK Connecting archlinux.c3sl.ufpr.br (FTP)... OK Connecting gd.tuwien.ac.at (FTP)... OK Connecting ftp.belnet.be (FTP)... OK Connecting ftp.sh.cvut.cz (FTP)... OK Connecting ftp.estpak.ee (FTP)... OK Connecting ftp.sixnix.net (FTP)... OK Connecting mir1.archlinuxfr.org (FTP)... OK Connecting mir2.archlinuxfr.org (FTP)... OK Connecting distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr (FTP)... OK Connecting mir.archlinux.fr (HTTP)... OK Connecting ftp.free.fr (FTP)... OK Connecting ftp.tu-chemnitz.de (FTP)... OK Connecting ftp.hosteurope.de (FTP)... OK Connecting ftp.archlinuxppc.org (FTP)... NOK Connecting www.mirrorservice.org (HTTP)... OK Connecting ftp.ntua.gr (FTP)... OK Connecting ftp.mfa.kfki.hu (FTP)... OK Connecting ftp.heanet.ie (FTP)... OK Connecting mi.mirror.garr.it (FTP)... OK Connecting ftp.nluug.nl (FTP)... OK Connecting ftp.surfnet.nl (FTP)... OK Connecting ftp.icm.edu.pl (FTP)... OK Connecting mirror.icis.pcz.pl (FTP)... OK Connecting piotrkosoft.net (HTTP)... OK Connecting ftp.piotrkosoft.net (FTP)... OK Connecting cesium.di.uminho.pt (FTP)... OK Connecting ftp.iasi.roedu.net (FTP)... OK Connecting archlinux.org.ru (FTP)... OK Connecting mirror.yandex.ru (FTP)... OK Connecting archlinux.freeside.ru (HTTP)... OK Connecting ftp.ds.hj.se (FTP)... OK Connecting ftp.gigabit.nu (FTP)... OK Connecting archlinux.puzzle.ch (FTP)... OK Connecting server.elsistech.com (HTTP)... OK Connecting hell.org.ua (FTP)... OK Connecting ftp.linux.kiev.ua (FTP)... OK Connecting mirror.isoc.org.il (HTTP)... OK Connecting mirror.pacific.net.au (FTP)... OK Connecting mirror.aarnet.edu.au (FTP)... OK Mirrors with net problems: 2 ------------------------------------ ftp.nethat.com (Login error: 530 Login incorrect.) ftp.archlinuxppc.org (Connection error: No route to host - connect(2)Login error: undefined method `login' for nil:NilClass) Mirrors with repo data collect problems: 5 ------------------------------------------------ mir1.archlinuxfr.org --------------- community-x86_64() extra-i686() core-x86_64() extra-x86_64() core-i686() community-i686(Download error: 421 Timeout.) ftp.heanet.ie --------------- community-x86_64(Size error: 550 mirrors/ftp.archlinux.org/community/os/x86_64/community.db.tar.gz: not a plain file.Mtime error: 550 mirrors/ftp.archlinux.org/community/os/x86_64/community.db.tar.gz: No such file or directoryDownload error: 550 mirrors/ftp.archlinux.org/community/os/x86_64/community.db.tar.gz: No such file or directory.) extra-i686(Size error: 550 mirrors/ftp.archlinux.org/extra/os/i686/extra.db.tar.gz: not a plain file.Mtime error: 550 mirrors/ftp.archlinux.org/extra/os/i686/extra.db.tar.gz: No such file or directoryDownload error: 550 mirrors/ftp.archlinux.org/extra/os/i686/extra.db.tar.gz: No such file or directory.) core-x86_64(Size error: 550 mirrors/ftp.archlinux.org/core/os/x86_64/core.db.tar.gz: not a plain file.Mtime error: 550 mirrors/ftp.archlinux.org/core/os/x86_64/core.db.tar.gz: No such file or directoryDownload error: 550 mirrors/ftp.archlinux.org/core/os/x86_64/core.db.tar.gz: No such file or directory.) extra-x86_64(Size error: 550 mirrors/ftp.archlinux.org/extra/os/x86_64/extra.db.tar.gz: not a plain file.Mtime error: 550 mirrors/ftp.archlinux.org/extra/os/x86_64/extra.db.tar.gz: No such file or directoryDownload error: 550 mirrors/ftp.archlinux.org/extra/os/x86_64/extra.db.tar.gz: No such file or directory.) core-i686(Size error: 550 mirrors/ftp.archlinux.org/core/os/i686/core.db.tar.gz: not a plain file.Mtime error: 550 mirrors/ftp.archlinux.org/core/os/i686/core.db.tar.gz: No such file or directoryDownload error: 550 mirrors/ftp.archlinux.org/core/os/i686/core.db.tar.gz: No such file or directory.) community-i686(Size error: 550 mirrors/ftp.archlinux.org/community/os/i686/community.db.tar.gz: not a plain file.Mtime error: 550 mirrors/ftp.archlinux.org/community/os/i686/community.db.tar.gz: No such file or directoryDownload error: 550 mirrors/ftp.archlinux.org/community/os/i686/community.db.tar.gz: No such file or directory.) ftp.icm.edu.pl --------------- community-x86_64() extra-i686() core-x86_64(Size error: 550 pub/Linux/sunsite/distributions/archlinux/core/os/x86_64/core.db.tar.gz: not a plain file.Mtime error: 550 pub/Linux/sunsite/distributions/archlinux/core/os/x86_64/core.db.tar.gz: No such file or directory.Download error: 550 pub/Linux/sunsite/distributions/archlinux/core/os/x86_64/core.db.tar.gz: No such file or directory.) extra-x86_64() core-i686(Size error: 550 pub/Linux/sunsite/distributions/archlinux/core/os/i686/core.db.tar.gz: not a plain file.Mtime error: 550 pub/Linux/sunsite/distributions/archlinux/core/os/i686/core.db.tar.gz: No such file or directory.Download error: 550 pub/Linux/sunsite/distributions/archlinux/core/os/i686/core.db.tar.gz: No such file or directory.) community-i686() archlinux.org.ru --------------- community-x86_64(Size error: 550 Could not get file size.Mtime error: 550 Could not get file modification time.Download error: 550 Failed to open file.) extra-i686(Size error: 550 Could not get file size.Mtime error: 550 Could not get file modification time.Download error: 550 Failed to open file.) core-x86_64(Size error: 550 Could not get file size.Mtime error: 550 Could not get file modification time.Download error: 550 Failed to open file.) extra-x86_64(Size error: 550 Could not get file size.Mtime error: 550 Could not get file modification time.Download error: 550 Failed to open file.) core-i686(Size error: 550 Could not get file size.Mtime error: 550 Could not get file modification time.Download error: 550 Failed to open file.) community-i686(Size error: 550 Could not get file size.Mtime error: 550 Could not get file modification time.Download error: 550 Failed to open file.) ftp.linux.kiev.ua --------------- community-x86_64(Size error: 550 Could not get file size.Mtime error: 550 Could not get file modification time.Download error: 550 Failed to open file.) extra-i686() core-x86_64(Size error: 550 Could not get file size.Mtime error: 550 Could not get file modification time.Download error: 550 Failed to open file.) extra-x86_64(Size error: 550 Could not get file size.Mtime error: 550 Could not get file modification time.Download error: 550 Failed to open file.) core-i686() community-i686() Comparing mirrors against archlinux.org .......................................... Mirrors with SYNC problems: 25 ------------------------------------------------ ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 04:29 (h:m)) md5sum extra-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 02:12 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:32 (h:m)) md5sum extra-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 03:59 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:31 (h:m)) md5sum community-i686 failed on: mtime(0 day(s), 05:29 (h:m)) md5sum mirror.cs.vt.edu community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 00:59 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:32 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:31 (h:m)) md5sum mirrors.easynews.com community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 11:28 (h:m)) md5sum extra-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:36 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:32 (h:m)) md5sum extra-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:37 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:31 (h:m)) md5sum community-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 07:59 (h:m)) md5sum ftp.ibiblio.org community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 04:29 (h:m)) md5sum extra-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 02:12 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:32 (h:m)) md5sum extra-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 03:59 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:31 (h:m)) md5sum community-i686 failed on: mtime(0 day(s), 05:29 (h:m)) md5sum holmes.umflint.edu community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 11:28 (h:m)) md5sum extra-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:36 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:32 (h:m)) md5sum extra-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:37 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:31 (h:m)) md5sum community-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 07:59 (h:m)) md5sum archlinux.c3sl.ufpr.br community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 00:59 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:32 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:31 (h:m)) md5sum archlinux.c3sl.ufpr.br community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 00:59 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:32 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:31 (h:m)) md5sum gd.tuwien.ac.at community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(1 day(s), 13:59 (h:m)) md5sum extra-i686 failed on: size mtime(1 day(s), 05:11 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(5 day(s), 08:16 (h:m)) md5sum extra-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(1 day(s), 05:28 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(5 day(s), 08:17 (h:m)) md5sum community-i686 failed on: size md5sum ftp.belnet.be community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 04:29 (h:m)) md5sum extra-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 02:12 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:32 (h:m)) md5sum extra-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 03:59 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:31 (h:m)) md5sum community-i686 failed on: mtime(0 day(s), 05:29 (h:m)) md5sum ftp.estpak.ee community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 13:29 (h:m)) md5sum extra-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 14:36 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 14:33 (h:m)) md5sum extra-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 14:37 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 14:32 (h:m)) md5sum community-i686 failed on: size md5sum ftp.tu-chemnitz.de community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(13 day(s), 17:29 (h:m)) md5sum extra-i686 failed on: size mtime(13 day(s), 00:38 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(13 day(s), 13:32 (h:m)) md5sum extra-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(13 day(s), 00:57 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(13 day(s), 13:31 (h:m)) md5sum community-i686 failed on: size mtime(13 day(s), 07:29 (h:m)) md5sum www.mirrorservice.org community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 05:59 (h:m)) md5sum extra-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 02:12 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:32 (h:m)) md5sum extra-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 03:59 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:31 (h:m)) md5sum community-i686 failed on: mtime(0 day(s), 05:29 (h:m)) md5sum mi.mirror.garr.it community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 00:59 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:32 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:31 (h:m)) md5sum ftp.nluug.nl community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(2 day(s), 06:29 (h:m)) md5sum extra-i686 failed on: size mtime(2 day(s), 09:36 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(5 day(s), 09:16 (h:m)) md5sum extra-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(2 day(s), 03:37 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(5 day(s), 09:17 (h:m)) md5sum community-i686 failed on: size mtime(2 day(s), 04:29 (h:m)) md5sum ftp.surfnet.nl community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(2 day(s), 06:29 (h:m)) md5sum extra-i686 failed on: size mtime(2 day(s), 09:36 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(5 day(s), 09:16 (h:m)) md5sum extra-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(2 day(s), 03:37 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(5 day(s), 09:17 (h:m)) md5sum community-i686 failed on: size mtime(2 day(s), 04:29 (h:m)) md5sum mirror.icis.pcz.pl community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 11:28 (h:m)) md5sum extra-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:36 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:32 (h:m)) md5sum extra-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:37 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:31 (h:m)) md5sum community-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 09:28 (h:m)) md5sum piotrkosoft.net community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 04:29 (h:m)) md5sum extra-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 02:12 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:32 (h:m)) md5sum extra-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 03:59 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:31 (h:m)) md5sum community-i686 failed on: mtime(0 day(s), 05:29 (h:m)) md5sum ftp.piotrkosoft.net community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 04:29 (h:m)) md5sum extra-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 02:12 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:32 (h:m)) md5sum extra-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 03:59 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:31 (h:m)) md5sum community-i686 failed on: mtime(0 day(s), 05:29 (h:m)) md5sum ftp.iasi.roedu.net community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 19:29 (h:m)) md5sum extra-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 14:34 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(5 day(s), 09:16 (h:m)) md5sum extra-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 14:28 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(5 day(s), 09:17 (h:m)) md5sum community-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 17:29 (h:m)) md5sum mirror.yandex.ru community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 11:28 (h:m)) md5sum extra-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:36 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:32 (h:m)) md5sum extra-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:37 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:31 (h:m)) md5sum community-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 09:28 (h:m)) md5sum archlinux.freeside.ru community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 19:29 (h:m)) md5sum extra-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:36 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(5 day(s), 09:16 (h:m)) md5sum extra-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:37 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(5 day(s), 09:17 (h:m)) md5sum community-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 13:00 (h:m)) md5sum server.elsistech.com core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(5 day(s), 09:16 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(5 day(s), 09:17 (h:m)) md5sum hell.org.ua core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:32 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:31 (h:m)) md5sum mirror.isoc.org.il core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:32 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:31 (h:m)) md5sum mirror.aarnet.edu.au community-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 11:28 (h:m)) md5sum extra-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 03:58 (h:m)) md5sum core-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:32 (h:m)) md5sum extra-x86_64 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 03:59 (h:m)) md5sum core-i686 failed on: size mtime(0 day(s), 12:31 (h:m)) md5sum community-i686 failed on: mtime(0 day(s), 05:29 (h:m)) md5sum Overall Status -------------------------------------- Mirrors tested..................... : 49 Mirrors with connection problems... : 2 Mirror with data collection problems: 5 Mirrors OUT of sync................ : 25 From eliott at cactuswax.net Mon Jan 28 11:19:30 2008 From: eliott at cactuswax.net (eliott) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:19:30 -0800 Subject: [arch-general] Searching reference server for mirror checking In-Reply-To: <20080128155239.GA7384@tux1.brauer.lan> References: <20080127220652.GD7426@tux1.brauer.lan> <428d921d0801271422h2bfe1bf6v3774b2f97527e2fd@mail.gmail.com> <20080127223633.GE7426@tux1.brauer.lan> <428d921d0801272241x4e078e92tf410acb55d5fe8b7@mail.gmail.com> <20080128155239.GA7384@tux1.brauer.lan> Message-ID: <428d921d0801280819n76f7eb9an7c7969f4d2f11b16@mail.gmail.com> On 1/28/08, Gerhard Brauer wrote: > Hello! > > Ok, i'am 99% ready with the script (mostly output and "internally > cleaning"). I put the output as txt attachement in this mail. > > Short: > Overall Status > -------------------------------------- > Mirrors tested..................... : 49 > Mirrors with connection problems... : 2 > Mirror with data collection problems: 5 > > Mirrors OUT of sync................ : 25 > > Legend for txt file: > size means *.db.tar.gz size reported by either FTP or HTTP mirror > mtime also taken from protocols, converted to UTC if needed > md5sum after doenlaod db file. > > Some mirrors seams to have the correct file size, but mtime and/or > md5sum differs. I've checked some of them and there seams to bee > slightly corrupted files on there. > > Next i will version pumping on the script (it's a ruby script) from now > 0.1 to 1.0 ;-) and then we could see if this is something usefull for > us. I think it would be a very nice thing to have someone run periodically, and maybe send reports to the dev team...so that we can know which mirrors are not syncing properly. As of right now, we mostly have to rely on end user reports of problems (reactive instead of proactive). From gerhard.brauer at web.de Mon Jan 28 11:31:20 2008 From: gerhard.brauer at web.de (Gerhard Brauer) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:31:20 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Searching reference server for mirror checking In-Reply-To: <428d921d0801280819n76f7eb9an7c7969f4d2f11b16@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080127220652.GD7426@tux1.brauer.lan> <428d921d0801271422h2bfe1bf6v3774b2f97527e2fd@mail.gmail.com> <20080127223633.GE7426@tux1.brauer.lan> <428d921d0801272241x4e078e92tf410acb55d5fe8b7@mail.gmail.com> <20080128155239.GA7384@tux1.brauer.lan> <428d921d0801280819n76f7eb9an7c7969f4d2f11b16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080128163120.GB7384@tux1.brauer.lan> Hello! * eliott schrieb am [28.01.08 17:19]: > > I think it would be a very nice thing to have someone run > periodically, and maybe send reports to the dev team I think we on archlinux.de could do this. I'll talk with Pierre next time about that. Another question , i assume that that you could say "something about mirroring": I also talked with Pierre about some more mirrors for germany. I have a list with some potential candidates. Our question is: what is the right way to get them as ArchLinux mirrors? We could contact their ftpmaster, but when they say: yes, we've waited for you ;-) whom must i/we contact on archlinux.org for rsync and so far? Is there a "FAQ" or some document anywhere? Thank's & a nice day Gerhard -- Neulich auf dem Maennerklo: Linke Reihe, bitte hinten anstellen, jeder nur ein Kreuz... From eliott at cactuswax.net Mon Jan 28 11:43:18 2008 From: eliott at cactuswax.net (eliott) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:43:18 -0800 Subject: [arch-general] Searching reference server for mirror checking In-Reply-To: <20080128163120.GB7384@tux1.brauer.lan> References: <20080127220652.GD7426@tux1.brauer.lan> <428d921d0801271422h2bfe1bf6v3774b2f97527e2fd@mail.gmail.com> <20080127223633.GE7426@tux1.brauer.lan> <428d921d0801272241x4e078e92tf410acb55d5fe8b7@mail.gmail.com> <20080128155239.GA7384@tux1.brauer.lan> <428d921d0801280819n76f7eb9an7c7969f4d2f11b16@mail.gmail.com> <20080128163120.GB7384@tux1.brauer.lan> Message-ID: <428d921d0801280843v73bc7873m5fd4f5491ebb9561@mail.gmail.com> On 1/28/08, Gerhard Brauer wrote: > Hello! > * eliott schrieb am [28.01.08 17:19]: > > > > I think it would be a very nice thing to have someone run > > periodically, and maybe send reports to the dev team > > I think we on archlinux.de could do this. I'll talk with Pierre next > time about that. > > Another question , i assume that that you could say "something about > mirroring": > I also talked with Pierre about some more mirrors for germany. I have a > list with some potential candidates. Our question is: what is the right > way to get them as ArchLinux mirrors? We could contact their ftpmaster, > but when they say: yes, we've waited for you ;-) whom must i/we contact > on archlinux.org for rsync and so far? The best course of action is probably to: 1) Contact the mirror admin, requesting mirroring. 2a) If they want to mirror from the arch main server: Open a bug ticket. This way the pacman packager, as well as the arch server admin, can both have a reference point for addition of the new mirror. Include relevant text, contact information, etc in the bug ticket. 2b) Alternately, some of the servers that already mirror have rsync access, and new mirrors could be "teir2" by syncing off of them. In such cases, make sure to qualify in the bug ticket such information, as well as any additional relevant text, contact information, etc. > Is there a "FAQ" or some document anywhere? Not yet. From Kevin at RawFedDogs.net Mon Jan 28 11:46:13 2008 From: Kevin at RawFedDogs.net (Kevin Monceaux) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:46:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question Message-ID: Fellow Arch Enthusiasts, I discovered Arch about a year ago, and loved it. I played around with it under VMware for a while, and even created a couple of packages for myself. At the time my hard drive really needed some reorganization/repartitioning before switching to another distribution. But, my DVD burner was acting flaky. Anyway, one year later with a second hard drive installed, and with a new DVD burner on order, I've made the switch to Arch, after trying a few other distros along the way. I can't find the packages I created back when I first started using Arch. At some point I ended up deleting the VMware image to free up some space and neglected to copy the packages. Anyway, I've created a package for c3270. I found an x3270 package but prefer the text console version. Is there a utility that can be used to help set the package's dependencies? I found a few mentions of namcap on the wiki. I tried it on the package I created, which I don't currently have any dependencies listed in, and the only problems it reports are missing maintainer and CVS id tags. It mentions nothing about the missing dependencies. By the way, What does the name namcap stand for? Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! From darose at darose.net Mon Jan 28 11:52:12 2008 From: darose at darose.net (David Rosenstrauch) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:52:12 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <479E083C.8040902@darose.net> Kevin Monceaux wrote: > By > the way, What does the name namcap stand for? > > > > Kevin I think it's just "pacman" spelled backwards. DR From travis at archlinux.org Mon Jan 28 11:54:26 2008 From: travis at archlinux.org (Travis Willard) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:54:26 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53735f360801280854s678d2f99w24f534f563a5b04@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 28, 2008 11:46 AM, Kevin Monceaux wrote: > I found a few mentions of namcap on the wiki. I tried it on the package I > created, which I don't currently have any dependencies listed in, and the > only problems it reports are missing maintainer and CVS id tags. It > mentions nothing about the missing dependencies. By the way, What does > the name namcap stand for? namcap will find dependencies only when run on a built package - it can't analyse a PKGBUILD and discover deps for you. Build the package, then run namcap /path/to/pkgname-pkgver-pkgrel.pkg.tar.gz and it'll tell you. If you can't even build the package because of missing deps on your system, then check out the project's documentation - they're usually pretty good about telling you what you need. From colin.pitrat at amadeus.com Mon Jan 28 11:56:38 2008 From: colin.pitrat at amadeus.com (Colin Pitrat) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:56:38 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, You should also try to run namcap on the resulting package and not only on the PKGBUILD ;-) Regards, Colin Pitrat Kevin Monceaux To Arch General User Mailing List cc Subject [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question Kevin Monceaux Please respond to : General Discusson about Arch Linux Sent by: arch-general-bounces at archlinux.org 28/01/2008 17:46 Fellow Arch Enthusiasts, I discovered Arch about a year ago, and loved it. I played around with it under VMware for a while, and even created a couple of packages for myself. At the time my hard drive really needed some reorganization/repartitioning before switching to another distribution. But, my DVD burner was acting flaky. Anyway, one year later with a second hard drive installed, and with a new DVD burner on order, I've made the switch to Arch, after trying a few other distros along the way. I can't find the packages I created back when I first started using Arch. At some point I ended up deleting the VMware image to free up some space and neglected to copy the packages. Anyway, I've created a package for c3270. I found an x3270 package but prefer the text console version. Is there a utility that can be used to help set the package's dependencies? I found a few mentions of namcap on the wiki. I tried it on the package I created, which I don't currently have any dependencies listed in, and the only problems it reports are missing maintainer and CVS id tags. It mentions nothing about the missing dependencies. By the way, What does the name namcap stand for? Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colin.pitrat at amadeus.com Mon Jan 28 11:56:38 2008 From: colin.pitrat at amadeus.com (Colin Pitrat) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:56:38 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, You should also try to run namcap on the resulting package and not only on the PKGBUILD ;-) Regards, Colin Pitrat Kevin Monceaux To Arch General User Mailing List cc Subject [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question Kevin Monceaux Please respond to : General Discusson about Arch Linux Sent by: arch-general-bounces at archlinux.org 28/01/2008 17:46 Fellow Arch Enthusiasts, I discovered Arch about a year ago, and loved it. I played around with it under VMware for a while, and even created a couple of packages for myself. At the time my hard drive really needed some reorganization/repartitioning before switching to another distribution. But, my DVD burner was acting flaky. Anyway, one year later with a second hard drive installed, and with a new DVD burner on order, I've made the switch to Arch, after trying a few other distros along the way. I can't find the packages I created back when I first started using Arch. At some point I ended up deleting the VMware image to free up some space and neglected to copy the packages. Anyway, I've created a package for c3270. I found an x3270 package but prefer the text console version. Is there a utility that can be used to help set the package's dependencies? I found a few mentions of namcap on the wiki. I tried it on the package I created, which I don't currently have any dependencies listed in, and the only problems it reports are missing maintainer and CVS id tags. It mentions nothing about the missing dependencies. By the way, What does the name namcap stand for? Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Kevin at RawFedDogs.net Mon Jan 28 12:03:09 2008 From: Kevin at RawFedDogs.net (Kevin Monceaux) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:03:09 -0600 (CST) Subject: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question In-Reply-To: <53735f360801280854s678d2f99w24f534f563a5b04@mail.gmail.com> References: <53735f360801280854s678d2f99w24f534f563a5b04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Travis Willard wrote: > Build the package, then run namcap > /path/to/pkgname-pkgver-pkgrel.pkg.tar.gz and it'll tell you. If you > can't even build the package because of missing deps on your system, > then check out the project's documentation - they're usually pretty > good about telling you what you need. I've built and installed the package and it works as expected. I've tried running namcap on both the PKGBUILD file and actual package file and it reports no missing dependencies. According to ldd the c3270 program depends on: linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb7fbe000) libssl.so.0.9.8 => /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.8 (0xb7f6e000) libcrypto.so.0.9.8 => /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 (0xb7e28000) libnsl.so.1 => /lib/libnsl.so.1 (0xb7e11000) libreadline.so.5 => /lib/libreadline.so.5 (0xb7de0000) libncursesw.so.5 => /lib/libncursesw.so.5 (0xb7d92000) libutil.so.1 => /lib/libutil.so.1 (0xb7d8e000) libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb7c57000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb7c53000) libncurses.so.5 => /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 (0xb7c10000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7fbf000) Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! From travis at archlinux.org Mon Jan 28 12:06:44 2008 From: travis at archlinux.org (Travis Willard) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:06:44 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question In-Reply-To: References: <53735f360801280854s678d2f99w24f534f563a5b04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <53735f360801280906w2772a7fu35296de36beb41b5@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 28, 2008 12:03 PM, Kevin Monceaux wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Travis Willard wrote: > > > Build the package, then run namcap > > /path/to/pkgname-pkgver-pkgrel.pkg.tar.gz and it'll tell you. If you > > can't even build the package because of missing deps on your system, > > then check out the project's documentation - they're usually pretty > > good about telling you what you need. > > I've built and installed the package and it works as expected. I've tried > running namcap on both the PKGBUILD file and actual package file and it > reports no missing dependencies. According to ldd the c3270 program > depends on: > > linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb7fbe000) > libssl.so.0.9.8 => /usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.8 (0xb7f6e000) > libcrypto.so.0.9.8 => /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 (0xb7e28000) > libnsl.so.1 => /lib/libnsl.so.1 (0xb7e11000) > libreadline.so.5 => /lib/libreadline.so.5 (0xb7de0000) > libncursesw.so.5 => /lib/libncursesw.so.5 (0xb7d92000) > libutil.so.1 => /lib/libutil.so.1 (0xb7d8e000) > libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb7c57000) > libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb7c53000) > libncurses.so.5 => /usr/lib/libncurses.so.5 (0xb7c10000) > /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7fbf000) That's odd - it looks like it ought to depend on ncurses (and openssl?) at the very least. You can run pacman -Qo on those files to see what packages they belong to, and stick 'em in the deps. From Kevin at RawFedDogs.net Mon Jan 28 13:26:40 2008 From: Kevin at RawFedDogs.net (Kevin Monceaux) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 12:26:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question In-Reply-To: <53735f360801280906w2772a7fu35296de36beb41b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <53735f360801280854s678d2f99w24f534f563a5b04@mail.gmail.com> <53735f360801280906w2772a7fu35296de36beb41b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Travis Willard wrote: > That's odd - it looks like it ought to depend on ncurses (and > openssl?) at the very least. You can run pacman -Qo on those files to > see what packages they belong to, and stick 'em in the deps. Well, it gets even stranger. I tried adding dependencies for openssl, ncurses, and readline, which according to ldd are needed. When I then run namcap on the package file is says those dependencies are unneeded. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! From travis at archlinux.org Mon Jan 28 13:40:30 2008 From: travis at archlinux.org (Travis Willard) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:40:30 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question In-Reply-To: References: <53735f360801280854s678d2f99w24f534f563a5b04@mail.gmail.com> <53735f360801280906w2772a7fu35296de36beb41b5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <53735f360801281040o412bd7afjf772ba12851ac3a8@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 28, 2008 1:26 PM, Kevin Monceaux wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Travis Willard wrote: > > > That's odd - it looks like it ought to depend on ncurses (and > > openssl?) at the very least. You can run pacman -Qo on those files to > > see what packages they belong to, and stick 'em in the deps. > > Well, it gets even stranger. I tried adding dependencies for openssl, > ncurses, and readline, which according to ldd are needed. When I then run > namcap on the package file is says those dependencies are unneeded. I think namcap ignores dependencies in the 'base' group, since everyone is expected to have base installed, maybe? I'm not 100% sure of its internals in this sense. I'd say leave them in - they're clearly needed. From Kevin at RawFedDogs.net Mon Jan 28 14:17:33 2008 From: Kevin at RawFedDogs.net (Kevin Monceaux) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:17:33 -0600 (CST) Subject: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question In-Reply-To: <53735f360801281040o412bd7afjf772ba12851ac3a8@mail.gmail.com> References: <53735f360801280854s678d2f99w24f534f563a5b04@mail.gmail.com> <53735f360801280906w2772a7fu35296de36beb41b5@mail.gmail.com> <53735f360801281040o412bd7afjf772ba12851ac3a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Travis Willard wrote: > I think namcap ignores dependencies in the 'base' group, since > everyone is expected to have base installed, maybe? I'm not 100% sure > of its internals in this sense. That sounds like a reasonable possibility. To get an idea of whether it's more common to explicitly list base dependencies or leave them out I checked a couple of other packages that depend on ncurses. extra/editors/vim and aur/unsupported/alpine both depend on ncurses but don't have ncurses listed as a dependency. extra/network/irssi and extra/network/mutt, on the other hand, explicitly list ncurses as a dependency. So, it looks like there's a mixture in both official and aur based packages. > I'd say leave them in - they're clearly needed. I looked through the Arch Packaging Standards page and didn't really get a clear impression on which is the preferred method, but I might have missed something. So, unless I hear otherwise, I'll explicitly list them. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! From t.powa at gmx.de Mon Jan 28 15:06:51 2008 From: t.powa at gmx.de (Tobias Powalowski) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:06:51 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Strange stuff in kernel26-2.6.24-2 In-Reply-To: <200801280821.43778.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> References: <200801280821.43778.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> Message-ID: <200801282106.56542.t.powa@gmx.de> Am Montag, 28. Januar 2008 schrieb Karolina Lindqvist: > There is some strange stuff going on in the newest kernel. i.e. it did not > work, so I had to go back to the previous one. > First it booted, but then console escape characters (colour) did not work, > and sound with snd_via82xx did not either. pretty strange, because the alsa subsystem of core .23 is pretty the same as the .24 one. greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa at archlinux.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I suggest you to contact maintainers of those packages directly (write a comment on packages' AUR page or send private email). If some packages are very outdated and maintainer doesn't respond on your email in 5-7 days - then you may ask for orphaning it on aur-general mailing list. -- Roman Kyrylych (????? ???????) From roman.kyrylych at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 16:00:37 2008 From: roman.kyrylych at gmail.com (Roman Kyrylych) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 23:00:37 +0200 Subject: [arch-general] Searching reference server for mirror checking In-Reply-To: <428d921d0801280843v73bc7873m5fd4f5491ebb9561@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080127220652.GD7426@tux1.brauer.lan> <428d921d0801271422h2bfe1bf6v3774b2f97527e2fd@mail.gmail.com> <20080127223633.GE7426@tux1.brauer.lan> <428d921d0801272241x4e078e92tf410acb55d5fe8b7@mail.gmail.com> <20080128155239.GA7384@tux1.brauer.lan> <428d921d0801280819n76f7eb9an7c7969f4d2f11b16@mail.gmail.com> <20080128163120.GB7384@tux1.brauer.lan> <428d921d0801280843v73bc7873m5fd4f5491ebb9561@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <577f15290801281300n6e431f8eg7f382f107b231a1@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/28, eliott : > On 1/28/08, Gerhard Brauer wrote: > > Is there a "FAQ" or some document anywhere? > > Not yet. > Probably you may find useful some instructions (e.g. fancy mirror sync script - or at least the recommended rsync options) from this page: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Local_Mirror Besides what Eliott said about filing a report on our bugtracker you should also add your new mirror to this page: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mirrors It will be moved from Unofficial to Official part once added to pacman's mirrorlist and to Get Arch web page. -- Roman Kyrylych (????? ???????) From attila at invalid.invalid Mon Jan 28 16:16:13 2008 From: attila at invalid.invalid (Attila) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 22:16:13 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Strange stuff in kernel26-2.6.24-2 References: <200801280821.43778.karolina.lindqvist@kramnet.se> <91752840801280459s367add19tdc1187162f933eac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Montag, 28. Januar 2008 13:59 Xavier wrote: At first the good thing: Extra for you i shutdown my pc without a problem after running 2.6.24 for about 2-3 hours during doing normal things as reading blogs, surfing and running makepkg with some small packages. > It usually crashes here too when I shutdown or reboot it after using > it for a while. I have had the same problems. Than I try a copy of the whole from testing, make my own package and eliminate a lot of the experimental features. The top candidate from my view is EDAC which i put totaly off. There is a more conservative config for a root server in the web: http://www.hostblogger.de/blog/archives/2752-Kernel-2.6.24.html Not realy perfect for a 1:1 copy because it is for a root server but a good example because in this some things been active which been not in the ARCH config. Some examples: CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT=y CONFIG_FAIR_GROUP_SCHED=y CONFIG_FAIR_USER_SCHED=y Sorry, that i can't exactly say what makes it better because i throw a lot away (all virtualization, ISDN, TV, all DEBUG=y with the exception of CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG and so on) and reactivate other things. It was more an experimental try&error game of mine with the motto if it now won't works than i will give it up.-) That's why i don't open a bug report but from my view there is hope to eliminate this problem. Just for the stats: I have a core2duo (MSI 975X Platinum PowerUp Edition) with 2GB, IDE Burner and SATA disk. I optimized my config for core2 but i don't think this is the solution. See you, Attila From jada at usalug.net Mon Jan 28 16:30:12 2008 From: jada at usalug.net (JaDa) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:30:12 -0800 Subject: [arch-general] Newbie Build xine-lib-1.1.10-1 Message-ID: Here is my first Archlinux Package Build for i686 xine-lib-1.1.10-1 http://files.myopera.com/Jada0007/arch/xine-lib-1.1.10-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz well I think it is not perfect but someone can check it out too. Then how will be my tutor for the next few weeks? Teaching me a little how to build and work for Archlinux. Thx JaDa -- Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. From mcrae_allan at hotmail.com Mon Jan 28 17:19:56 2008 From: mcrae_allan at hotmail.com (Allan McRae) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:19:56 +1000 Subject: [arch-general] Newbie Build xine-lib-1.1.10-1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: JaDa wrote: > Here is my first Archlinux Package Build for i686 > > xine-lib-1.1.10-1 > http://files.myopera.com/Jada0007/arch/xine-lib-1.1.10-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz > > well I think it is not perfect but someone can check it out too. > > Then how will be my tutor for the next few weeks? Teaching me a little > how to build and work for Archlinux. Hi JaDa, They way to get packages reviewed is to post the PKGBUILD. No-one here is going to install a binary blob from a non-trusted source (hopefully...). For all we know you have a "rm -rf /home/*" type statement in the .install script. It is also hard to know how to improve your packaging if we don't see you methods. If you want to learn how to package software, take a look at PKGBUILDs from the official repositories (read up on ABS in the wiki) and use them as a basis for yours. There is an official (outdated) xine-lib package which you can use as a starting point. Allan From jada at usalug.net Mon Jan 28 17:45:06 2008 From: jada at usalug.net (JaDa) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:45:06 -0800 Subject: [arch-general] Newbie Build xine-lib-1.1.10-1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Allan I just post now the PKGBUILD hope that's right now! JaDa # Contributor: Uwe Vogt pkgname=xine-lib pkgver=1.1.10 pkgrel=1 pkgdesc="A free video player for Unix" arch=('i686' 'x86_64') url="http://xinehq.de/" license=('LGPL' 'GPL') #TODO remove 'codecs' and make them optional depends=('libgl' 'libxvmc' 'esd' 'flac>=1.1.4' 'libvorbis' 'sdl' 'libmng' 'libtheora' 'codecs' 'libxcb') makedepends=('pkgconfig' 'libtool' 'automake' 'autoconf' 'imagemagick' 'smbclient' 'mesa' 'alsa-lib' 'vcdimager') source=(http://superb-east.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/xine/xine-lib-1.1.10.tar.bz2 xine-lib-1.1.1-configure-no-mcpu-march.patch) md5sums=('55e7d2b1f4a9052db847244572a4ecb5' '9776df4eb54d2f1f68d8268adbc3b5c2') options=('!libtool') build() { cd ${startdir}/src/${pkgname}-${pkgver} patch -Np0 -i ${startdir}/src/xine-lib-1.1.1-configure-no-mcpu-march.patch || return 1 aclocal -I m4 libtoolize --force autoheader automake --gnu --add-missing autoconf export SED="/bin/sed" export LIBPNG_CONFIG="/usr/bin/pkg-config libpng12" ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-w32-path=/usr/lib/win32 \ --with-xv-path=/usr/lib --with-libflac --without-arts \ --without-jack --disable-gnomevfs --disable-polypaudio \ --disable-aalib --without-speex --disable-modplug make || return 1 make DESTDIR=${startdir}/pkg install } On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:19:56 -0800, Allan McRae wrote: > JaDa wrote: >> Here is my first Archlinux Package Build for i686 >> >> xine-lib-1.1.10-1 >> http://files.myopera.com/Jada0007/arch/xine-lib-1.1.10-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz >> >> well I think it is not perfect but someone can check it out too. >> >> Then how will be my tutor for the next few weeks? Teaching me a little >> how to build and work for Archlinux. > > Hi JaDa, > > They way to get packages reviewed is to post the PKGBUILD. No-one here > is going to install a binary blob from a non-trusted source > (hopefully...). For all we know you have a "rm -rf /home/*" type > statement in the .install script. It is also hard to know how to > improve your packaging if we don't see you methods. > > If you want to learn how to package software, take a look at PKGBUILDs > from the official repositories (read up on ABS in the wiki) and use them > as a basis for yours. There is an official (outdated) xine-lib package > which you can use as a starting point. > > Allan > > > -- Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot. From maikbeckmann at gmx.de Mon Jan 28 18:27:23 2008 From: maikbeckmann at gmx.de (Maik Beckmann) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:27:23 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] blurry fonts at Qt4 apps Message-ID: <200801290027.23159.maikbeckmann@gmx.de> Hello I did send the follwing to the kde and qt mailing list: I have an issue with the fonts off apps which are based on Qt4. This png http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gtkkde3kde4qt4za7.png shows the "File" menubar entry at (left to right): gtk+ - kde3 - kde4 - Qt4 apps. As you see the fonts of gtk and kde3 are same. The kde4 and qt4 fonts are the same too. Please focus on the "F"s in "File". The "F" of gtk/kde3 are plain lines, since no curves are involved. The "F" pf kde4/qt4 has something like shadows, which results in a blurry look. Currently I'm running arch-linux, but I saw the behavior on previous gentoo and debian installations when I played with qt4. The screenshots which are placed at the kde4 programming tutorials show that there must be a way do make the fonts in kde4 behave like those in kde3 http://techbase.kde.org/images/a/a3/Introtokdetutorial3.png Just zoom and pan to "File" and compare with the screenshot I provided. My $HOME/.fonts.conf is attached. The font I'm using is Bitstream Vera Sans The mentioned files are attached to this email too. James Richard Tyrer answered: > This is interesting. > > If you simply showed these to me without any context, I would say that > the first two (left to right) are hinted for screen display and the > second two are unhinted for WYSIWYG printing. > > KDE-3 and Qt-3 always did fonts as screen hinted which is why some > applications (e.g. KWord) had font printing issues. Since Qt-4 can do > it either way, KDE-4 needs to decide which way that the fonts should be > rendered. So, this would appear to be a bug -- the GUI should always be > screen hinted. So Qt4 apps maybe do silently the wrong type of font rendering. If you know about this and how to fix it on arch, please share your knowledge. Since there are configuration which are not hit by this (obviously James has one) I would like to ask you're to test if your installtion handles fonts on qt3 and qt4 apps the same way or not. To do so start the i.e kwrite(the kde3 version) and qtconfig (which is a Qt4 app). Pan the "File" entry of qtconfig's menubar to the right of the "File" entry of kwrite's menubar. Now take a screenshot (I used GIMP) and zoom into the "File" - "File" area. To make your results comparable to mine, please chose Bitstream Vera Sans as toolbar font. Thanks in advance, -- Maik -------------- next part -------------- rgb true false hintfull true From darose at darose.net Mon Jan 28 18:35:27 2008 From: darose at darose.net (David Rosenstrauch) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:35:27 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] blurry fonts at Qt4 apps In-Reply-To: <200801290027.23159.maikbeckmann@gmx.de> References: <200801290027.23159.maikbeckmann@gmx.de> Message-ID: <479E66BF.7050301@darose.net> Maik Beckmann wrote: > Hello > > I did send the follwing to the kde and qt mailing list: > > > I have an issue with the fonts off apps which are based on Qt4. This png > http://img403.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gtkkde3kde4qt4za7.png > shows the "File" menubar entry at > (left to right): gtk+ - kde3 - kde4 - Qt4 > apps. Have you got anti-aliasing definitely turned off? DR From maikbeckmann at gmx.de Mon Jan 28 18:45:23 2008 From: maikbeckmann at gmx.de (Maik Beckmann) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 00:45:23 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] blurry fonts at Qt4 apps In-Reply-To: <479E66BF.7050301@darose.net> References: <200801290027.23159.maikbeckmann@gmx.de> <479E66BF.7050301@darose.net> Message-ID: <200801290045.23782.maikbeckmann@gmx.de> Am Dienstag 29 Januar 2008 00:35:27 schrieb David Rosenstrauch: > Have you got anti-aliasing definitely turned off? > > DR No, as you can see from the attached .fonts.conf ? ? ? ? ?true ? ? I want anti-aliasing. The problem is that font rendering (which means anti-aliasing + hinting) in Qt4 are not the same as their Qt3 conter parts, as you see at the screenshot. -- Maik From adam.stokes at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 18:52:43 2008 From: adam.stokes at gmail.com (adam) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:52:43 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] out-of-date python-cheetah, python-formencode In-Reply-To: <577f15290801281252x20fe4636v392bc539f0427b2c@mail.gmail.com> References: <577f15290801281252x20fe4636v392bc539f0427b2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 28, 2008 3:52 PM, Roman Kyrylych wrote: > 2008/1/28, adam : > > > python-formencode-0.9 is in AUR as it was needed in order to build a > > package depending on it. The old version still exists in supported > > branch but would like to have it replaced/upgraded with my PKGBUILD. > > > > python-cheetah is one release old as the package was placed a month > > prior to the next release. > > > > These packages haven't be updated in awhile I do not believe > > I'm not sure if I understood your message correctly. > I suggest you to contact maintainers of those packages directly > (write a comment on packages' AUR page or send private email). > If some packages are very outdated and maintainer doesn't respond on > your email in 5-7 days - then you may ask for orphaning it on > aur-general mailing list. > > -- > Roman Kyrylych (????? ???????) > The maintainers were contacted but I haven't heard back in several days. Can we please orphan these packages so that I may have them updated? Thank you -- ( adam stokes ) || ( adam.stokes at gmail.com ) From iphitus at gmail.com Mon Jan 28 23:01:59 2008 From: iphitus at gmail.com (James Rayner) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 15:01:59 +1100 (EST) Subject: [arch-general] out-of-date python-cheetah, python-formencode In-Reply-To: References: <577f15290801281252x20fe4636v392bc539f0427b2c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <60355.121.219.129.20.1201579319.squirrel@email.iphitus.org> On Tue, January 29, 2008 10:52, adam wrote: > > The maintainers were contacted but I haven't heard back in several > days. Can we please orphan these packages so that I may have them > updated? > Saturday evening to now isn't long. Nor have you contacted me regarding my package (python-cheetah). It'll be updated soon. From jason at archlinux.org Tue Jan 29 00:39:43 2008 From: jason at archlinux.org (Jason Chu) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:39:43 -0800 Subject: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question In-Reply-To: References: <53735f360801280854s678d2f99w24f534f563a5b04@mail.gmail.com> <53735f360801280906w2772a7fu35296de36beb41b5@mail.gmail.com> <53735f360801281040o412bd7afjf772ba12851ac3a8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080129053943.GI8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> On Mon, Jan 28, 2008 at 01:17:33PM -0600, Kevin Monceaux wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Travis Willard wrote: > >> I think namcap ignores dependencies in the 'base' group, since >> everyone is expected to have base installed, maybe? I'm not 100% sure >> of its internals in this sense. > > That sounds like a reasonable possibility. To get an idea of whether it's > more common to explicitly list base dependencies or leave them out I > checked a couple of other packages that depend on ncurses. > extra/editors/vim and aur/unsupported/alpine both depend on ncurses but > don't have ncurses listed as a dependency. extra/network/irssi and > extra/network/mutt, on the other hand, explicitly list ncurses as a > dependency. So, it looks like there's a mixture in both official and aur > based packages. Being the guy who wrote namcap, I'm pretty sure it doesn't do this at all. Can I get a copy of the PKGBUILD to test with? It sounds like it should be detecting these... Jason -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Good luck, Attila From maikbeckmann at gmx.de Tue Jan 29 02:54:18 2008 From: maikbeckmann at gmx.de (Maik Beckmann) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:54:18 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] blurry fonts at Qt4 apps In-Reply-To: <9rs275xjhn.ln2@news.arcor.de> References: <200801290027.23159.maikbeckmann@gmx.de> <9rs275xjhn.ln2@news.arcor.de> Message-ID: <200801290854.18651.maikbeckmann@gmx.de> Am Dienstag 29 Januar 2008 07:14:32 schrieb Attila: > On Dienstag, 29. Januar 2008 00:27 Maik Beckmann wrote: > > As you see the fonts of gtk and kde3 are same. ?The kde4 and qt4 fonts > > are the same too. > > The only difference of my .fonts.conf to yours is that i have not the > autohint block (okay, i use vrgb instead of you but this depends on the > hardware). The good thing is that i have not this shadows effect but the > only qt4 app what i have at the moment is eric. The .fonts.conf for kde3 > and kde4 on my test partition be the same. > > Good luck, Attila Thank you :) I switched to vrgb and how the shadows are gone. Even Qt3 and Qt4 font are now the same. However, the fact that the font rendering differs if rgba is set to rgb and do not if it's set to vrgb sounds like black magic to me. I would really like to figure out what is going on. Can you please try rgb instead of vrgb, just for comparison? Thanks, -- Maik PS: how can one figure out which rgba mode is supported by the hardware? From adam.stokes at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 07:44:27 2008 From: adam.stokes at gmail.com (adam) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:44:27 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] out-of-date python-cheetah, python-formencode In-Reply-To: <60355.121.219.129.20.1201579319.squirrel@email.iphitus.org> References: <577f15290801281252x20fe4636v392bc539f0427b2c@mail.gmail.com> <60355.121.219.129.20.1201579319.squirrel@email.iphitus.org> Message-ID: On Jan 28, 2008 11:01 PM, James Rayner wrote: > On Tue, January 29, 2008 10:52, adam wrote: > > > > The maintainers were contacted but I haven't heard back in several > > days. Can we please orphan these packages so that I may have them > > updated? > > > > Saturday evening to now isn't long. Nor have you contacted me regarding my > package (python-cheetah). > > It'll be updated soon. > > > Very well then -- but I assumed using the 'flag-out-of-date' option on the website and adding additional comments was enough. Thanks -- ( adam stokes ) || ( adam.stokes at gmail.com ) From Kevin at RawFedDogs.net Tue Jan 29 08:55:26 2008 From: Kevin at RawFedDogs.net (Kevin Monceaux) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:55:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question In-Reply-To: <20080129053943.GI8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> References: <53735f360801280854s678d2f99w24f534f563a5b04@mail.gmail.com> <53735f360801280906w2772a7fu35296de36beb41b5@mail.gmail.com> <53735f360801281040o412bd7afjf772ba12851ac3a8@mail.gmail.com> <20080129053943.GI8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> Message-ID: Jason, On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Jason Chu wrote: > Being the guy who wrote namcap, I'm pretty sure it doesn't do this at all. > > Can I get a copy of the PKGBUILD to test with? It sounds like it should be > detecting these... I sent you a private e-mail with the PKGBUILD attached. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! From jason at archlinux.org Tue Jan 29 11:22:49 2008 From: jason at archlinux.org (Jason Chu) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:22:49 -0800 Subject: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question In-Reply-To: References: <53735f360801280854s678d2f99w24f534f563a5b04@mail.gmail.com> <53735f360801280906w2772a7fu35296de36beb41b5@mail.gmail.com> <53735f360801281040o412bd7afjf772ba12851ac3a8@mail.gmail.com> <20080129053943.GI8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> Message-ID: <20080129162249.GK8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 07:55:26AM -0600, Kevin Monceaux wrote: > Jason, > > On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Jason Chu wrote: > >> Being the guy who wrote namcap, I'm pretty sure it doesn't do this at all. >> >> Can I get a copy of the PKGBUILD to test with? It sounds like it should be >> detecting these... > > I sent you a private e-mail with the PKGBUILD attached. Ok, after building the PKGBUILD and running namcap on it, I got these messages: [jchu at wingnut a]$ namcap c3270-3.3.7p1-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz c3270 W: Dependency included but already satisfied (ncurses) c3270 W: Dependency included but already satisfied (readline) The depends line looks like this: depends=('ncurses' 'openssl' 'readline') Notice how openssl isn't listed by namcap as already satisfied? If you follow the dependency tree, you'll find that ncurses and readline and covered by a dependency on openssl (openssl -> glibc -> bash -> readline -> ncurses). Namcap tries to give you the smallest subset of dependencies that your package needs. Now, there was a proposal to change the functionality. To list all of the packages that your package directly depends on. This will eventually happen, but that's not how it works right now. In conclusion, there is nothing in namcap about ignoring dependencies in the base group. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From travis at archlinux.org Tue Jan 29 11:25:52 2008 From: travis at archlinux.org (Travis Willard) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:25:52 -0500 Subject: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question In-Reply-To: <20080129162249.GK8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> References: <53735f360801280854s678d2f99w24f534f563a5b04@mail.gmail.com> <53735f360801280906w2772a7fu35296de36beb41b5@mail.gmail.com> <53735f360801281040o412bd7afjf772ba12851ac3a8@mail.gmail.com> <20080129053943.GI8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> <20080129162249.GK8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> Message-ID: <53735f360801290825i1f16a6ebla49403be9f2ba95f@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 29, 2008 11:22 AM, Jason Chu wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 07:55:26AM -0600, Kevin Monceaux wrote: > > Jason, > > > > On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Jason Chu wrote: > > > >> Being the guy who wrote namcap, I'm pretty sure it doesn't do this at all. > >> > >> Can I get a copy of the PKGBUILD to test with? It sounds like it should be > >> detecting these... > > > > I sent you a private e-mail with the PKGBUILD attached. > > Ok, after building the PKGBUILD and running namcap on it, I got these > messages: > > [jchu at wingnut a]$ namcap c3270-3.3.7p1-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz > c3270 W: Dependency included but already satisfied (ncurses) > c3270 W: Dependency included but already satisfied (readline) > > The depends line looks like this: > > depends=('ncurses' 'openssl' 'readline') > > Notice how openssl isn't listed by namcap as already satisfied? If you > follow the dependency tree, you'll find that ncurses and readline and > covered by a dependency on openssl (openssl -> glibc -> bash -> readline -> > ncurses). > > Namcap tries to give you the smallest subset of dependencies that your > package needs. > > Now, there was a proposal to change the functionality. To list all of the > packages that your package directly depends on. This will eventually > happen, but that's not how it works right now. > > In conclusion, there is nothing in namcap about ignoring dependencies in > the base group. Ah - yeah, that makes more sense - sorry for the confusion. I'm curious, though, why he reported it listing no deps missing at all when his depends=() array was empty. From Kevin at RawFedDogs.net Tue Jan 29 11:47:11 2008 From: Kevin at RawFedDogs.net (Kevin Monceaux) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:47:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question In-Reply-To: <20080129162249.GK8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> References: <53735f360801280854s678d2f99w24f534f563a5b04@mail.gmail.com> <53735f360801280906w2772a7fu35296de36beb41b5@mail.gmail.com> <53735f360801281040o412bd7afjf772ba12851ac3a8@mail.gmail.com> <20080129053943.GI8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> <20080129162249.GK8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> Message-ID: Jason, On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Jason Chu wrote: > Ok, after building the PKGBUILD and running namcap on it, I got these > messages: > > [jchu at wingnut a]$ namcap c3270-3.3.7p1-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz > c3270 W: Dependency included but already satisfied (ncurses) > c3270 W: Dependency included but already satisfied (readline) On my box, when I run namcap on the package built from the PKGBUILD I sent you, I get: c3270 W: Dependency included and not needed (ncurses) c3270 W: Dependency included and not needed (openssl) c3270 W: Dependency included and not needed (readline) And, if I remove all the dependencies, it doesn't report any missing dependencies. It sounds like at the very least it should report openssl as a missing dependency if it's removed. Is there perhaps something I'm missing on my system? It's a fresh install, installed last Friday, from the current ISO and all recent updates have been applied via yaourt. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! From attila at invalid.invalid Tue Jan 29 12:11:40 2008 From: attila at invalid.invalid (Attila) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 18:11:40 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] blurry fonts at Qt4 apps References: <200801290027.23159.maikbeckmann@gmx.de> <9rs275xjhn.ln2@news.arcor.de> <200801290854.18651.maikbeckmann@gmx.de> Message-ID: On Dienstag, 29. Januar 2008 08:54 Maik Beckmann wrote: As i see your name: If you don't understand my "fantastic" english my natural language is german.-) > I switched to vrgb and how the shadows are gone. Even Qt3 and Qt4 font are > now the same. Nice to hear but a little bit strange. I must admit that after thinking too much about it i stop analyzing and differ only "looks good" or "looks bad".-) > However, the fact that the font rendering differs if rgba is set to rgb and > do not if it's set to vrgb sounds like black magic to me. I would really > like to figure out what is going on. Good luck but this all with fonts remembers me at my first analog monitor which have a "Advanced Features Setting" where i don't understand the most.-) Only for the info here is my /etc/fonts/conf.d (The two *-MyDejaVu.conf differs from the originals only that DejaVu is on the top): 10-autohint.conf 10-sub-pixel-rgb.conf 11-no_autohint_for_bold_fonts.conf 20-fix-globaladvance.conf 20-lohit-gujarati.conf 20-unhint-small-vera.conf 30-amt-aliases.conf 30-replace-bitmap-fonts.conf 30-urw-aliases.conf 40-generic-MyDejaVu.conf 49-sansserif.conf 50-user.conf 51-local.conf 60-latin-MyDejaVu.conf 65-fonts-persian.conf 65-nonlatin.conf 69-unifont.conf 80-delicious.conf 90-synthetic.conf > Can you please try rgb instead of vrgb, just for comparison? I do this and there was not such a difference as for you and i have definitely no shadows. The most and only difference is in the konsole (Dejavu Sans Mono). > PS: how can one figure out which rgba mode is supported by the hardware? In a perfect world it is in the manual of your monitor. But as example i have a NEC 2190UXp (connected with DVI to a GeForce 7600 GS and driver version 169.09) and instead the manual says that it use rgb it looks better with vrgb. So i must say that in the most cases i prefer my normal try&error game: - start konsole plus 'ls -la' - change something and press apply - start a new - konsole plus 'ls -la' ... and so on This works better for me than analyzing it.-) But if you realy wants this here be the links which helps me in the past (i hope my suspicion that you can understand german is correct): http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antialiasing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fontconfig http://wiki.unixboard.de/index.php/FreeBSD_-_Bessere_Schriften http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Schriften http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Schriftbild_verbessern http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fonts/DejavuFeedbackCall See you, Attila From jason at archlinux.org Tue Jan 29 12:22:15 2008 From: jason at archlinux.org (Jason Chu) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:22:15 -0800 Subject: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question In-Reply-To: References: <53735f360801280854s678d2f99w24f534f563a5b04@mail.gmail.com> <53735f360801280906w2772a7fu35296de36beb41b5@mail.gmail.com> <53735f360801281040o412bd7afjf772ba12851ac3a8@mail.gmail.com> <20080129053943.GI8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> <20080129162249.GK8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> Message-ID: <20080129172215.GL8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 10:47:11AM -0600, Kevin Monceaux wrote: > Jason, > > On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Jason Chu wrote: > >> Ok, after building the PKGBUILD and running namcap on it, I got these >> messages: >> >> [jchu at wingnut a]$ namcap c3270-3.3.7p1-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz >> c3270 W: Dependency included but already satisfied (ncurses) >> c3270 W: Dependency included but already satisfied (readline) > > On my box, when I run namcap on the package built from the PKGBUILD I sent > you, I get: > > c3270 W: Dependency included and not needed (ncurses) > c3270 W: Dependency included and not needed (openssl) > c3270 W: Dependency included and not needed (readline) > > And, if I remove all the dependencies, it doesn't report any missing > dependencies. It sounds like at the very least it should report openssl as > a missing dependency if it's removed. Is there perhaps something I'm > missing on my system? It's a fresh install, installed last Friday, from > the current ISO and all recent updates have been applied via yaourt. What does readelf -d /usr/bin/c3270 tell you? Namcap doesn't actually use ldd, it uses something faster and more accurate. Jason -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm guessing it's the "Shared Library" section that important to namcap. readelf shows: 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libssl.so.0.9.8] 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libcrypto.so.0.9.8] 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libnsl.so.1] 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libreadline.so.5] 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libncursesw.so.5] 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libutil.so.1] 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libc.so.6] Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! From jason at archlinux.org Tue Jan 29 13:27:36 2008 From: jason at archlinux.org (Jason Chu) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:27:36 -0800 Subject: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question In-Reply-To: References: <53735f360801280906w2772a7fu35296de36beb41b5@mail.gmail.com> <53735f360801281040o412bd7afjf772ba12851ac3a8@mail.gmail.com> <20080129053943.GI8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> <20080129162249.GK8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> <20080129172215.GL8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> Message-ID: <20080129182736.GM8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> On Tue, Jan 29, 2008 at 12:03:17PM -0600, Kevin Monceaux wrote: > Jason, > > On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Jason Chu wrote: > > >> What does readelf -d /usr/bin/c3270 tell you? Namcap doesn't actually use >> ldd, it uses something faster and more accurate. > > I'm guessing it's the "Shared Library" section that important to namcap. > readelf shows: > > 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libssl.so.0.9.8] > 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libcrypto.so.0.9.8] > 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libnsl.so.1] > 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libreadline.so.5] > 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libncursesw.so.5] > 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libutil.so.1] > 0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libc.so.6] Ok, this is probably going to take a little bit of fiddling. Let's get off the mailing list. Can you open a ticket in the bug tracker where we can talk about this more? Jason -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From maikbeckmann at gmx.de Tue Jan 29 13:32:21 2008 From: maikbeckmann at gmx.de (Maik Beckmann) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:32:21 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] blurry fonts at Qt4 apps In-Reply-To: References: <200801290027.23159.maikbeckmann@gmx.de> <200801290854.18651.maikbeckmann@gmx.de> Message-ID: <200801291932.22013.maikbeckmann@gmx.de> Am Dienstag 29 Januar 2008 18:11:40 schrieb Attila: > On Dienstag, 29. Januar 2008 08:54 Maik Beckmann wrote: > > As i see your name: If you don't understand my "fantastic" english my > natural language is german.-) No problems so far, but I offer the same to you :) > > However, the fact that the font rendering differs if rgba is set to rgb > > and do not if it's set to vrgb sounds like black magic to me. I would > > really like to figure out what is going on. [snip] > > Can you please try rgb instead of vrgb, just for comparison? > > I do this and there was not such a difference as for you and i have > definitely no shadows. The most and only difference is in the konsole > (Dejavu Sans Mono). Can you please send a screenshot, i.e. of qtconfig, to me off list? It might help me. > > PS: how can one figure out which rgba mode is supported by the hardware? > > In a perfect world it is in the manual of your monitor. But as example i > have a NEC 2190UXp (connected with DVI to a GeForce 7600 GS and driver > version 169.09) and instead the manual says that it use rgb it looks better > with vrgb. So i must say that in the most cases i prefer my normal > try&error game: I did the same until now. I hoped there is a command which reads this info from the hardware. >... if you realy wants this > here be the links which helps me in the past (i hope my suspicion that you > can understand german is correct): > > http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Xorg_and_Fonts > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antialiasing > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fontconfig > http://wiki.unixboard.de/index.php/FreeBSD_-_Bessere_Schriften > http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Schriften > http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Schriftbild_verbessern > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fonts/DejavuFeedbackCall I know most of them, except the fedora site. However, I will consult them again, thx! Best Regards, -- Maik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Kevin at RawFedDogs.net Tue Jan 29 14:14:41 2008 From: Kevin at RawFedDogs.net (Kevin Monceaux) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:14:41 -0600 (CST) Subject: [arch-general] New User(sort of) and a packaging question In-Reply-To: <20080129182736.GM8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> References: <53735f360801280906w2772a7fu35296de36beb41b5@mail.gmail.com> <53735f360801281040o412bd7afjf772ba12851ac3a8@mail.gmail.com> <20080129053943.GI8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> <20080129162249.GK8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> <20080129172215.GL8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> <20080129182736.GM8418@wingnut.internal.oprius.com> Message-ID: Jason, On Tue, 29 Jan 2008, Jason Chu wrote: > Ok, this is probably going to take a little bit of fiddling. Let's get off > the mailing list. Can you open a ticket in the bug tracker where we can > talk about this more? Will do. Give me just a bit to register a bugtracker account. Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes. Longum iter est per praecepta, breve et efficax per exempla!!! From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Tue Jan 29 14:28:42 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:28:42 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Qjackctl won't open since latest updates Message-ID: <200801292028.42090.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> I've had Archlinux "Don't Panic" installed for a while. I installed it because someone on another list was having problems with their hda intel soundcard, and I wanted to see what was required to upgrade the Alsa driver on Archlinux. It seems to be a nice stable distro, pacman, which I havn't used before, installs the downloaded packages very quickly. Downloading them, as always takes a while, as I'm on dialup. Anyway. The problem since the latest updates. Qjackctl was working ok, but since updates I did last night, it now fails to start. See below for the updated packages. [root at myhost djmons]# pacman -Su :: Starting full system upgrade... warning: opera: forcing upgrade to version 9.25-2 resolving dependencies... warning: dependency cycle detected: warning: xorg-server will be installed before its catalyst-utils dependency looking for inter-conflicts... Targets: readline-5.2-7 jack-audio-connection-kit-0.109.0-1 kde-common-3.5.8-3 qt3-3.3.8-6.1 arts-1.5.8-2 avahi-0.6.20-3 xorg-server-1.4.0.90-5 catalyst-utils-8.01-1 dbus-qt3-0.62-3 e2fsprogs-1.40.4-1 x264-20071202-1 ffmpeg-20071204-1 hwd-5.3.2-1 pcre-7.5-1 kdelibs-3.5.8-4 kdebase-3.5.8-3 qscintilla-qt3-1.7.1-2 kdebindings-3.5.8-2 poppler-qt3-0.6.3-1 kdegraphics-3.5.8-3 lvm2-2.02.31-1 mplayer-1.0rc2-2.1 opera-9.25-2 qt-4.3.3-4 poppler-qt-0.6.3-1 python-2.5.1-5 pygobject-2.14.1-1 pygtk-2.12.1-1 qca-2.0.0.svn744387-1.1 qca-qt3-1.0-1 qca-tls-1.0-5 qjackctl-0.3.2-1 qscintilla-2.1-3 libx86-0.99-1 vbetool-1.0-2 vi-7.1.228-1 which-2.19-2 wpa_supplicant-0.5.9-1 Total Download Size: 170.33 MB After these updates Qjackctl would not start from the KDE desktop launcher, and see below for output when trying to start it on the CLI. [djmons at myhost ~]$ qjackctl qjackctl: error while loading shared libraries: libaudio.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [djmons at myhost ~]$ It's true that there's no such library as libaudio.so.2, at least I can't find one. I have run pacman -Sy, and -Su this evening, and no further updates are available. Should I just wait a bit, and see if this problem is resolved, or post a bug report? Personally I don't see it as a bug, but more to do with Qjackctl being upgraded, and the upgraded version needing a library not yet available. Comments as always welcome. Nigel. From ilbardo at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 14:37:20 2008 From: ilbardo at gmail.com (bardo) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:37:20 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Qjackctl won't open since latest updates In-Reply-To: <200801292028.42090.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> References: <200801292028.42090.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: 2008/1/29, Nigel Henry : > [djmons at myhost ~]$ qjackctl > qjackctl: error while loading shared libraries: libaudio.so.2: cannot open > shared object file: No such file or directory > [djmons at myhost ~]$ libaudio.so.2 is contained in the 'nas' package, installing it should solve the problem. Anyway, there actually *is* a bug, since qjackctl should depend on nas and it does not. I'm filing a bug for it. Corrado From cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr Tue Jan 29 15:57:17 2008 From: cave.dnb2m97pp at aliceadsl.fr (Nigel Henry) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:57:17 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Qjackctl won't open since latest updates In-Reply-To: References: <200801292028.42090.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: <200801292157.17764.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> On Tuesday 29 January 2008 20:37, bardo wrote: > 2008/1/29, Nigel Henry : > > [djmons at myhost ~]$ qjackctl > > qjackctl: error while loading shared libraries: libaudio.so.2: cannot > > open shared object file: No such file or directory > > [djmons at myhost ~]$ > > libaudio.so.2 is contained in the 'nas' package, installing it should > solve the problem. Anyway, there actually *is* a bug, since qjackctl > should depend on nas and it does not. I'm filing a bug for it. > > Corrado Thanks for that Corrado. Problem resolved for me, and hopefully your bug report will be resolved successfully. Nigel. From iphitus at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 16:06:27 2008 From: iphitus at gmail.com (James Rayner) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:06:27 +1100 (EST) Subject: [arch-general] out-of-date python-cheetah, python-formencode In-Reply-To: References: <577f15290801281252x20fe4636v392bc539f0427b2c@mail.gmail.com> <60355.121.219.129.20.1201579319.squirrel@email.iphitus.org> Message-ID: <40729.58.109.85.110.1201640787.squirrel@email.iphitus.org> On Tue, January 29, 2008 23:44, adam wrote: > On Jan 28, 2008 11:01 PM, James Rayner wrote: >> On Tue, January 29, 2008 10:52, adam wrote: >> > >> > The maintainers were contacted but I haven't heard back in several >> > days. Can we please orphan these packages so that I may have them >> > updated? >> > >> >> Saturday evening to now isn't long. Nor have you contacted me regarding >> my >> package (python-cheetah). >> >> It'll be updated soon. >> >> >> > > Very well then -- but I assumed using the 'flag-out-of-date' option on > the website and adding additional comments was enough. It was. But give me a chance to update the package before you ask for it to be orphaned! From ilbardo at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 16:22:57 2008 From: ilbardo at gmail.com (bardo) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:22:57 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Qjackctl won't open since latest updates In-Reply-To: <200801292157.17764.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> References: <200801292028.42090.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> <200801292157.17764.cave.dnb2m97pp@aliceadsl.fr> Message-ID: 2008/1/29, Nigel Henry : > Thanks for that Corrado. Problem resolved for me, and hopefully your bug > report will be resolved successfully. No problem... I had the library and just ran pacman -Qo on it =) Just for reference, the bug report can be found here: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/9397 C. From list+2007 at smokva.net Tue Jan 29 21:19:44 2008 From: list+2007 at smokva.net (Petar Bogdanovic) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:19:44 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] `filesystem' upgrade overwrites /etc/issue Message-ID: <20080130021944.GA4880@pintail.smokva.net> Hi, Is there a reason, why /etc/issue is not in the backup array of core/base/filesystem/PKGBUILD? Thanks, Petar From gerhard.brauer at web.de Wed Jan 30 05:29:14 2008 From: gerhard.brauer at web.de (Gerhard Brauer) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:29:14 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Mirror out of sync [tu.chemnitz.de] In-Reply-To: <428d921d0801250856sdc28b06re00af59c2691bee9@mail.gmail.com> References: <20080106130620.GA9831@tux1.brauer.lan> <577f15290801090442n5db1b4bfo31cc9fe6fbecdeb7@mail.gmail.com> <20080125130110.GA7400@tux1.brauer.lan> <428d921d0801250856sdc28b06re00af59c2691bee9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080130102914.GB7499@tux1.brauer.lan> Hello! * eliott schrieb am [25.01.08 17:56]: > > Please file a ticket on the bugtracker, so we can address the issue. Ok, i filed some bugreports for the most conspicuous mirrors i checked. #9390-9394 in pacman flyspray section. Gerhard -- rm -rf DOESN'T mean: read mail -really fast From roman.kyrylych at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 09:17:18 2008 From: roman.kyrylych at gmail.com (Roman Kyrylych) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:17:18 +0200 Subject: [arch-general] `filesystem' upgrade overwrites /etc/issue In-Reply-To: <20080130021944.GA4880@pintail.smokva.net> References: <20080130021944.GA4880@pintail.smokva.net> Message-ID: <577f15290801300617j6b5b635fv149f3233d1a01d99@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/30, Petar Bogdanovic : > Hi, > > Is there a reason, why /etc/issue is not in the backup array of > core/base/filesystem/PKGBUILD? > On developers' opinion this file is not something that is supposed to be modified by users. You should add NoUpgrade = etc/issue to pacman.conf if you modify this file. -- Roman Kyrylych (????? ???????) From eliott at cactuswax.net Wed Jan 30 14:20:36 2008 From: eliott at cactuswax.net (eliott) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:20:36 -0800 Subject: [arch-general] Mirror out of sync [tu.chemnitz.de] In-Reply-To: <20080130102914.GB7499@tux1.brauer.lan> References: <20080106130620.GA9831@tux1.brauer.lan> <577f15290801090442n5db1b4bfo31cc9fe6fbecdeb7@mail.gmail.com> <20080125130110.GA7400@tux1.brauer.lan> <428d921d0801250856sdc28b06re00af59c2691bee9@mail.gmail.com> <20080130102914.GB7499@tux1.brauer.lan> Message-ID: <428d921d0801301120p5a708555p1da7b2cffd423608@mail.gmail.com> On 1/30/08, Gerhard Brauer wrote: > Hello! > * eliott schrieb am [25.01.08 17:56]: > > > > Please file a ticket on the bugtracker, so we can address the issue. > > Ok, i filed some bugreports for the most conspicuous mirrors i checked. > #9390-9394 in pacman flyspray section. > > Gerhard Thanks Gerhard. :) From neil at darlow.co.uk Thu Jan 31 06:32:48 2008 From: neil at darlow.co.uk (Neil Darlow) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:32:48 +0000 Subject: [arch-general] Name change on crypto modules for kernel26-2.6.24? Message-ID: <47A1B1E0.2050403@darlow.co.uk> Hi, I run encrypted swap on my i686 system and thought I would give kernel26-2.6.24 a try. During the encrypted swap setup phase of boot I noticed a couple of errors relating to loading of the aes and sha256 crypto modules. Too me, it looks like these modules have undergone a name change in 2.6.24. I think the required modules are actually being loaded but cryptsetup complains about missing modules. I don't see an updated cryptsetup in testing. Should there be one or am I way off-base here? Regards, Neil Darlow From neil at darlow.co.uk Thu Jan 31 06:46:38 2008 From: neil at darlow.co.uk (Neil Darlow) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:46:38 +0000 Subject: [arch-general] Name change on crypto modules for kernel26-2.6.24? In-Reply-To: <47A1B1E0.2050403@darlow.co.uk> References: <47A1B1E0.2050403@darlow.co.uk> Message-ID: <47A1B51E.5070001@darlow.co.uk> Hi, To clarify. Neil Darlow wrote: > Too me, it looks like these modules have undergone a name change in > 2.6.24. I think the required modules are actually being loaded but > cryptsetup complains about missing modules. It appears the following name changes have occurred: * padlock_aes.ko --> padlock-aes.ko * padlock_sha.ko --> padlock-sha.ko Regards, Neil Darlow From grbzks at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 15:25:24 2008 From: grbzks at gmail.com (Grigorios Bouzakis) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:25:24 +0200 Subject: [arch-general] man pages and utf8 Message-ID: <20080131202524.GA8257@dark> Regarding the discussion going on in arch-dev-public about changes in man and utf8 compliance. As far as i remember Roman's feature request [1] wasnt even mentioned. At least not recently. Are there any thoughts of replacing man with man-db? Or the recent chamges in man and groff make this FR invalid? [1]http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/9130 From aaronmgriffin at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 15:46:41 2008 From: aaronmgriffin at gmail.com (Aaron Griffin) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:46:41 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] man pages and utf8 In-Reply-To: <20080131202524.GA8257@dark> References: <20080131202524.GA8257@dark> Message-ID: On Jan 31, 2008 2:25 PM, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: > Regarding the discussion going on in arch-dev-public about changes in > man and utf8 compliance. > As far as i remember Roman's feature request [1] wasnt even mentioned. > At least not recently. Are there any thoughts of replacing man with > man-db? Or the recent chamges in man and groff make this FR invalid? > > [1]http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/9130 Of course there are thoughts on it. I was the one that asked him to open the feature request in the first place. The utf8 fix was painfully simple, so it was put in place. Replacing man with man-db is not as simple, so wasn't the first choice here. As always, this was a "scratch an itch" thing - man pages in _my_ locale acted goofy, so I fixed it. Apparently, using man-db fixes about 5 other bug reports we have regarding cyrillic characters, so this will most likely get done, but in all honesty, it's not my top priority and I'm not even the 'man' maintainer. I simply fixed some breakage. From ht990332 at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 16:14:07 2008 From: ht990332 at gmail.com (Hussam Al-Tayeb) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:14:07 +0200 Subject: [arch-general] Name change on crypto modules for kernel26-2.6.24? In-Reply-To: <47A1B51E.5070001@darlow.co.uk> References: <47A1B1E0.2050403@darlow.co.uk> <47A1B51E.5070001@darlow.co.uk> Message-ID: <1201814047.16932.1.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 11:46 +0000, Neil Darlow wrote: > Hi, > > To clarify. > > Neil Darlow wrote: > > Too me, it looks like these modules have undergone a name change in > > 2.6.24. I think the required modules are actually being loaded but > > cryptsetup complains about missing modules. > > It appears the following name changes have occurred: > > * padlock_aes.ko --> padlock-aes.ko > * padlock_sha.ko --> padlock-sha.ko > > Regards, > Neil Darlow > Same issue here. If possible, can one of the developers please take a look at this? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From attila at invalid.invalid Thu Jan 31 16:28:11 2008 From: attila at invalid.invalid (Attila) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:28:11 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] man pages and utf8 References: <20080131202524.GA8257@dark> Message-ID: On Donnerstag, 31. Januar 2008 21:25 Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: > Regarding the discussion going on in arch-dev-public about changes in > man and utf8 compliance. I support every step to get utf8 and man work together. At the moment with LANG=de_DE.utf8 i give NROFF the '-Tascii' option. But this is only okay because the most man pages be in english and so the possibility that i can search for a '-' character is more important than seeing an umlaut. Good luck and thanks for your impulse. See you, Attila From aaronmgriffin at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 17:05:21 2008 From: aaronmgriffin at gmail.com (Aaron Griffin) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:05:21 -0600 Subject: [arch-general] man pages and utf8 In-Reply-To: References: <20080131202524.GA8257@dark> Message-ID: On Jan 31, 2008 3:28 PM, Attila wrote: > On Donnerstag, 31. Januar 2008 21:25 Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: > > > Regarding the discussion going on in arch-dev-public about changes in > > man and utf8 compliance. > > I support every step to get utf8 and man work together. At the moment with > LANG=de_DE.utf8 i give NROFF the '-Tascii' option. But this is only okay > because the most man pages be in english and so the possibility that i can > search for a '-' character is more important than seeing an umlaut. The '-' character searching is fixed with the groff package in testing. It will move to core soon. Also fixed is ' (quote) character searching. From attila at invalid.invalid Thu Jan 31 17:33:07 2008 From: attila at invalid.invalid (Attila) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:33:07 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] man pages and utf8 References: <20080131202524.GA8257@dark> Message-ID: <8uu975xpqf.ln2@news.arcor.de> On Donnerstag, 31. Januar 2008 23:05 Aaron Griffin wrote: > The '-' character searching is fixed with the groff package in > testing. It will move to core soon. Fantastic. I take the files from testing and now man works well with utf8. Thanks a lot. See you, Attila From softwareleute at freenet.de Thu Jan 31 18:08:03 2008 From: softwareleute at freenet.de (Volker Glatz) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 00:08:03 +0100 Subject: [arch-general] Domain: archlinux.eu Message-ID: <200802010008.04397.softwareleute@freenet.de> Hi there, I'm the owner of the domain www.archlinux.eu. I registered this domain in the sunrise period of dot-eu to avoid commercial usage or something else. Actually there is a redirection to archlinux.org. If the archlinux project is interested in this domain I'd like to spend it to the project. But if you think it is a good contribution to give my part back to the project I'm also willing to hold the domain anymore on my costs. If there is absolutely no interest in it, I'll give it free. Volker From roman.kyrylych at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 19:02:04 2008 From: roman.kyrylych at gmail.com (Roman Kyrylych) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 02:02:04 +0200 Subject: [arch-general] Newbie Build xine-lib-1.1.10-1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <577f15290801311602r744f03c5l3c578cad867f3e18@mail.gmail.com> 2008/1/29, JaDa : > Hi Allan > > I just post now the PKGBUILD hope that's right now! > I didn't actually test how it builds but inlined a couple of suggestions below: > makedepends=('pkgconfig' 'libtool' 'automake' 'autoconf' 'imagemagick' > 'smbclient' 'mesa' 'alsa-lib' 'vcdimager') pkgconfig, libtool, automake and autoconf are part of base-devel group which is supposed to be installed on every packager's machine, so you can safely omit them. > source=(http://superb-east.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/xine/xine-lib-1.1.10.tar.bz2 It is highly recommended to use http://downloads.sourceforge.net/xine/... here. Otherwise the PKGBUILD looks good. -- Roman Kyrylych (????? ???????)