[arch-general] Newbies in Arch [WAS: Suspend seems not to work with nVidia Nouveau driver]

[Jonathan Vasquez]

On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Don Juan <donjuansjiz at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 01/04/2012 08:14 AM, Leonid Isaev wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012 03:25:40 -0500
>> Jonathan Vasquez<jvasquez1011 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>> Just because a person didn't go to
>>> medical school, doesn't mean that they can research and learn anything
>>> in the field of medicine. That logic is ridiculous, and as we have and
>>> will experience in our lives, applies towards other areas of life.
>>>
>>> Those are my worthless cents as well I suppose :).
>>>
>> Please understand that what you are talking about is not research, but an
>> accumulation of information==noise from dumb bloggers.
>>
>> What they teach in medschool is to use your brain, not the collective
>> knowledge. If you are so confident in your self-diagnosis, just talk to
>> the
>> doctor and let him challenge your reasoning -- you'll see that even if
>> your
>> conclusion was correct, this was a shear luck.
>>
>> Wikipedia may be good for trivial things (diagnosing a running nose in
>> your
>> terms) or reading about the comparison between email clients, but is
>> completely misleading in more sophisiticated problems. This is because
>> people
>> who could actually improve it are way to busy / don't care to do so.
>>
> Any chance we can all drop this stuff now and maybe share some advice/help
> on the OP question or other ones on the list currently, I know I would
> happily take even some flaming now on my battery question :P

@Don Juan

Lol at your House comment.

@Angel Velasquez

It's ok, I perfectly understand that a person can get confused when
similar names come up.
It probably has happened to all of us at least once :).

I also agree that the Linux community repeats the same info over and
over again, and that it gets
annoying. That's one of the reasons I was attracted to Arch. Because
instead of a person having to repeat
themselves, they could easily just write a well written documentation,
and send people to read them. While
at the other end, the asking user could finally find a well written
document, that would actually be able to help
them, because it was well written in the first place. It benefits both
parties. I also do not like to repeat myself,
and strive to write good documentation once, so that people will
understand it better. That's one of the reasons why
I make Youtube videos. Visual learning is a great way to teach
someone. Especially the people that are too comfortable to read,
which they will have to get over it.

I don't believe I am more valuable, or more important than anyone
else. I signed up to these mailing lists about a week ago,
there is no where to signing up to the Arch mailing list where it says
"You must bottom post". Some communities top post by default,
some do inline posting, and some do bottom posting. It's something
that a person has to learn and adapt to while they are in the
community.
If you look at all my posts in the last 3-4+ days, they are all now
written in bottom-post format. There may be 1 or 2 that slipt since
I switch between my phone and computer, and I have to disable top
quotes, etc. Also I didn't pull the "oh look I have more contributions
then
you card". If you look at my post, I said that my comments are
valuable and are not noob-irrelevant-spam-troll like comments because
I'm an
actual Arch linux user. Not just some random person. I showed some of
my contributions so that you can understand that I am an Archer, I am
a contributing user, and I legitimiately card about the future of Arch
Linux, therefore my constructive criticism to not just OS design, but
also
to Etiquette behavior should be heard (Doesn't have to be followed,
but at least listened to). That's how democracy works. By listening to
it's
citizens. Same goes with the AUR, and when people vote for packages
for inclusion into the community repo. So I hope I cleared that I
wasn't trying
to compare my contributions to anybody else. I'm sure, proud, and
happy that we have members like Gaetan and you in our community
because I'm sure
that you also help, want to continue helping, and love Arch linux just
as any other Archer.

I don't know how said Arch is the natural replacement for Ubuntu
either. I did say multiple times, in my videos, and in these posts
that
as long as a person is willing to read documentation, that it doesn't
matter what there starting position is. Doesn't matter if they are a
noob,
or a pro user from another Distro or OS. The important thing is that
they are willing to read the documentation in order to further their
knowledge.
So I completely agree with you as well Angel, and it's exactly what
I'm promoting and have been saying.

I'm glad you have helped a lot of people in this community, and I'm
sure you will continue to do so. I'm not happy that you or anyone else
has
to receive Troll comments. Now I believe that as a person with an
@archlinux domain in your email, you are not just a regular Archer,
but you
of course are an esteemed member in the community. Therefore as a
person with authority, you have to be a roll model for everyone else.
I'm not
saying you have to take crap from anyone, but I am saying that you
definitely can't be making "troll-like comments". That doesn't look
good,
especially when an outsider comes to look at Arch and sees people with
power trolling on it's users. They will surely leave, no matter how
noob,
or pro they are.

You don't have to apologize to me. Drama, and correct etiquette
behavior are two different things.

Thanks, I will continue to learn :).

@Leonid Isaev

Of course, a person definitely has to use his/her brain when reading
anything online. That's why I said we have to be careful with what
we read, and why people need to keep an open mind when they read the
information and go to speak to their doctors about it. There will most
likely be a flaw, and the doctor will need to correct that flaw and
logic. It's also the doctor's responsability at that point to not act
arrogantly and try to make the patient feel stupid for them trying to
self-diagnose themselves. Life's a two way street, and there are
responsabilities at both ends.

-- 
Jonathan Vasquez